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Hey funkVfunk

Good question!

As a matter of principle the Grass with a grippy surface plays more stable and with more spin (not reversal) on a faster blade. The mid-springy pips assort well on a blade with a mid-hard feel like the Nittaku ShellShock. If you are playing the Grass on a harder blade you are loosing control and if you play the Grass on a softer blade your strokes are to harmless. A harder spong under the long pips does not force the pace of your strokes. That's good for blocking and counter attacking against offenders. Against passiv players you can play more acitvely with the softer spong of the DEF version. I think the Grass OFF is playing better on your harder blades (Gubba Carbon). I would play the Grass DEF with the Nittaku ShellShock. It seems to be a good combo.

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Cheers, Martin

DMS Spinfire OX | STIGA Hornet | YASAKA Cobalt OX

Hey Martin
have you tried Phantom 011 without sponge?
In this case, please, tell me what's the difference with the Phantom 012 OX.
If your tests gave these results:
Yasaka Phantom 0011, 93, 95, 96, 94, 94, 95, 95;
The same rubber without sponge which results change?
Thanks for your answer.

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I've tested the 0011 OX on a Joo Se Hyuk blade. The bat is a little bit lighter then the Stiga Hornet combo. I would rate 92, 93, 95, 93, 92, 94, 94;

The absolute values are a bit relative because of the light tuning effect by glueing the spong version to the blade. The 0011 infinity is a very controlled rubber in OX with a good reversal when chopping. Attackings are very stable but not so dangerous as with spong. A very good rubber to hold the ball in the game and to prepare the fh attackings. I would use the 0012 infinity for a block and counterattacking game a bit closer to table then with the 0011. The 0011 has its strength at mid-distance when chopping and attacking.

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DMS Spinfire OX | STIGA Hornet | YASAKA Cobalt OX

many thanks Martin,
for a game closer to the table, you should assess the phantom 012 better than the O11 (both OX)?
you think is there much difference between the control that offers the POGO and the Phantom 012? what is the difference between them? much?
excuse me for the english language..... ahahaha

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I would prefer the 0012 for a close to table game. The CTT Pogo is also a good rubber to play close to table. I had problems to attack slow balls or balls with backspin with the Pogo because the grip was to less in my eyes.

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DMS Spinfire OX | STIGA Hornet | YASAKA Cobalt OX

Martinspin, is it really true that in your testing you found dozens of currently ITTF approved long pips with illegal thickness and/or aspect ratio?

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Are you aware that people of the ITTF here read along? - Ok, we have nothing to lose -

I measured 10 long pips rubbers that were to thick - I measured 26 long pips rubbers, where the Aspect Ratio was too high. The measurements are not easy without a precise gauge. I used a magnifying glass with a magnification of thirty. Nevertheless, it is very difficult to determine the precise length of the pips neks. Purely from the feeling I guess about 15 surfaces with to high Aspect Ratio. My measurements are certainly not scientific.
I measured e.g. the friction of the TT Master Insider and can see nothing unusual. TT Master tried by a court to refuse the baseless justifications. It did not help. The ITTF can do basically whatever they want. The regional associations will usually do what the ITTF determines.

What the hell! The main thing is we have fun playing table tennis

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DMS Spinfire OX | STIGA Hornet | YASAKA Cobalt OX

That's amazing. I wonder if the ITTF would dare to ban two dozen or more currently approved long pips on the next list. Shouldn't they be checking for this before they approve it?

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A few years ago, the aspect ratio e.g. of the D. TecS was ok. I think the coverings are checked every few years. In between, there'll be variations in production

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DMS Spinfire OX | STIGA Hornet | YASAKA Cobalt OX

Martin
I have played with OX for many years so I tried the Yasaka Phantom 12 infinity Black OX, it does'nt seem to block loop very well, do you recommend I put a sponge underneath it? If so what sponge could I buy?
Regards
Bazzer

Hey Bazzer

The Yasaka Phantom 0012 is one of the best surfaces for block and counterattack. When playing with spin the rubber acts like a short pimple. The surface has a textile base. Perhaps that is preparing once certain problems. I would try to adjust the angle of the racket. I don't know how to remove the textil base. I would suggest an ALL blade with a softer feel like Donic Applegren Allplay, Stiga Allround Classic or Yinhe M-6.

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DMS Spinfire OX | STIGA Hornet | YASAKA Cobalt OX

Hi Martin
Thank-you for your advice I will try it on Tuesday when I go for a practice.
Regards
Bazzer

Dear Martin,

which is the most similar Chinese long pips rubber to Tibhar Grass D.Tecs ?

Thanks

The question can not be clearly answered. There are differences between Japanese and Chinese rubbers. The spacing between the pimples are smaller in Chinese rubbers in general. Spacings with D. TecS are 1.6 mm. Similar (springiness & grip) is the Dawei 388-D with smaller spacings (1.2 mm). The CTT National Pogo is also similar. He has flat heads and spacings are 1.2 mm too. I hope that helps

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DMS Spinfire OX | STIGA Hornet | YASAKA Cobalt OX

Hi Martin,

obviously I was not clear enough. I wonder if some Chinese long pips rubber has similar or identical playing characteristics (spin reversal) as Tibhar Grass D.Tecs, as shown on the review of World Rubber Market

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rj4Q9kqt60&feature=feedbul


Best regards