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Same pips as Globe 979
Pip height: 1.6mm
Pip diameter: 1.5mm
distance between pips: 1.2mm


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First post on this thread was in 2006..... Wow, long time nobody talked about this rubber.
I got it this summer thru a friend of mine and I have to say that this is the best rubber I've ever played with.
I played 2 seasons with the late Super Block and before with Curl bamboo, Curl P3 Alpha, Grass, Yung and a bunch of other long pips I don't even remember. Already 20 years that I've been playing with long pips on my backhand and Xiying is the best.

After the ban on frictioneless, I search for a substitute and Saviga V was the best option for me. Until this summer and the discovery of this pretty exotic rubber. Not known at all in Europe, rarely used in fact.
I play it Ox on the backhand and my style is :
_ mid-distance and far from the table defender with the backhand; I am mainly chopping of course.
_ attacking (smashes and top spins) with the forehand.
_ sometimes coming back to the table to play short balls that I try to attack with backhand (pips or backside) or the forehand.

This pimple is quite slow, the slower I think amongst friction pips. To my opinion, it is almost as slow as an inferno or maybe (I said maybe) the SB.
I've been quite confused with its speed at start; indeed, chopping away you have to really play the chop to make it pass the net but that's a good thing when you have to deal with heavy top spins. Spin reversal is quite good, and if you use the wrist when performing a chop, the reversal is huge; do 2 or 3 top spins in a row becomes difficult for the opponent.
Once you get the right move and you get used to the speed of the Xiying, then chopping away becomes quite enjoyable.
I found also pretty easy to make spin variation with this rubber, depending on where you hit the ball (top of the blade or center) and if you use the wrist. It's quite disturbing for the opponent to having to deal with a ball that sometimes comes in with a lot of spin, and sometimes with 0 spin.

Playing at the table is also extremely easy, once again thanks to the low speed of this rubber. I have no problems chop-blocking heavy top spins which gives great spin reversal, counter-attacking top spins is also feasable (performing some kind of a top spin and "recovering" the ball with the wrist at the end of the move); this stroke sends a very fast ball, floating with almost no rebound; hard to deal with it for the opponent. Playing short is so easy to do, great control and you have the possibility to place the ball everywhere you want, short, so it makes it difficult for the other player to play it.
In the short play, the great advantage of this rubber is that it gives very disturbing wobbling balls and many of the players I train with at my club are missing shots because of the path of the ball which can be quite unpredictable somtimes. Reminds me of good old Yung63-9A....

This rubber is also fantastic for attacking. Indeed, even if it is slow, you can hit flat or top spin balls really easily with a very decent speed. That is a real good surprise for a long pips rubber because either a pips rubber is slow and you cannot attack, or it is too fast and defending becomes tricky for the user. The Xiying has it all and you can do anything you want, chopping, blocking, attacking, play long or short balls all of this with great control and good spin reversal. It's a very versatile rubber and you can develop a very complete game when used to it.

The Xiying is not a novelty; nevertheless, it combines many of the caracteristics players are looking for today :

Low speed - Good control - Good spin reversal when chopping - Ability to block short - Ability to attack with decent speed.

The modern defender will find with 979 Xiying THE weapon to destroy the opponent.
The player who's blocking at the table and searches for a rubber able to block short will find a good option for the replacement of frictionless pimples. Spin reversal will be quite good when chop-blocking (inexistent if performing a normal block but 979 Xiying is no Superblock) and the great control of this rubber gives you the possibility to place the ball anywhere on the table with no problem. The wobbling balls you can produce with it are a real asset too.
The classical defender who's chopping again and again and again will enjoy the great control and very low speed of this pips which allows to return heavy top spins or attacks very easily.

As far as I am concerned, I am a modern defender and I dig playing with it. My game continues to evolve and improve and 979 Xiying gives me a bunch of new strokes I couldn't do with any of the pips I played before.

I play it on a Yin He Li-Qian LQ-2 blade; nimbus Sound on the forehand.
Blocking top spins during training is done with players ranked between 300 and 800 best players in France.

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Cheers Marathon Man, nice review!

I've heard this LP was different to the Globe 979, but I did not think it was THAT much different...

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That sounds like what i'm looking for. Just 1 question before I go out and buy it: Do you work for them?
Really good review. Thanks

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Marathon Man have you used Globe 979? I'd like to know if this does play the same as it or if its as different as you seem to describe. Globe 979 is not a bad pip, but I wouldn't have credited it with as much as you do for the Xiying 979. I have seen it for sale, but just assumed it was a copy or rebrand of Globe version.

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Cheers guys!

Haggisv and Reborn, I've used the 979 Globe 2-3 times and I found both 979 quite different. Globe is very defense-oriented; Xiying is good for defending and attacking. That's what makes the difference.
Chopping away from the table, spin reversal is huge with both rubbers. For any other stroke (and my type of play of course) I find Xiying much better.

Antipip : I ain't working for them. hahaha! All I know is that people read a topic I did about this pips on a french forum and sales are rocketing.
3 weeks ago Eacheng France sold 80 XY in a week; another french distributor specialized in chinese equipment was out of stock in just 3 days. It's crayz how things can go.
It's now the #1 chinese selling long pips in France and a month ago noone knew about this rubber. Believe me, I can assure you I am not working for the manufacturer.

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Well you might start another buying frenzy here Mara-man. Oh and welcome to the forum, I didn't realise these were your first posts before!

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 Post subject: Re: Xiying 979
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Marathon Man wrote:
First post on this thread was in 2006..... Wow, long time nobody talked about this rubber.
I got it this summer thru a friend of mine and I have to say that this is the best rubber I've ever played with.
I played 2 seasons with the late Super Block and before with Curl bamboo, Curl P3 Alpha, Grass, Yung and a bunch of other long pips I don't even remember. Already 20 years that I've been playing with long pips on my backhand and Xiying is the best.

After the ban on frictioneless, I search for a substitute and Saviga V was the best option for me. Until this summer and the discovery of this pretty exotic rubber. Not known at all in Europe, rarely used in fact.
I play it Ox on the backhand and my style is :
_ mid-distance and far from the table defender with the backhand; I am mainly chopping of course.
_ attacking (smashes and top spins) with the forehand.
_ sometimes coming back to the table to play short balls that I try to attack with backhand (pips or backside) or the forehand.

This pimple is quite slow, the slower I think amongst friction pips. To my opinion, it is almost as slow as an inferno or maybe (I said maybe) the SB.
I've been quite confused with its speed at start; indeed, chopping away you have to really play the chop to make it pass the net but that's a good thing when you have to deal with heavy top spins. Spin reversal is quite good, and if you use the wrist when performing a chop, the reversal is huge; do 2 or 3 top spins in a row becomes difficult for the opponent.
Once you get the right move and you get used to the speed of the Xiying, then chopping away becomes quite enjoyable.
I found also pretty easy to make spin variation with this rubber, depending on where you hit the ball (top of the blade or center) and if you use the wrist. It's quite disturbing for the opponent to having to deal with a ball that sometimes comes in with a lot of spin, and sometimes with 0 spin.

Playing at the table is also extremely easy, once again thanks to the low speed of this rubber. I have no problems chop-blocking heavy top spins which gives great spin reversal, counter-attacking top spins is also feasable (performing some kind of a top spin and "recovering" the ball with the wrist at the end of the move); this stroke sends a very fast ball, floating with almost no rebound; hard to deal with it for the opponent. Playing short is so easy to do, great control and you have the possibility to place the ball everywhere you want, short, so it makes it difficult for the other player to play it.
In the short play, the great advantage of this rubber is that it gives very disturbing wobbling balls and many of the players I train with at my club are missing shots because of the path of the ball which can be quite unpredictable somtimes. Reminds me of good old Yung63-9A....

This rubber is also fantastic for attacking. Indeed, even if it is slow, you can hit flat or top spin balls really easily with a very decent speed. That is a real good surprise for a long pips rubber because either a pips rubber is slow and you cannot attack, or it is too fast and defending becomes tricky for the user. The Xiying has it all and you can do anything you want, chopping, blocking, attacking, play long or short balls all of this with great control and good spin reversal. It's a very versatile rubber and you can develop a very complete game when used to it.

The Xiying is not a novelty; nevertheless, it combines many of the caracteristics players are looking for today :

Low speed - Good control - Good spin reversal when chopping - Ability to block short - Ability to attack with decent speed.

The modern defender will find with 979 Xiying THE weapon to destroy the opponent.
The player who's blocking at the table and searches for a rubber able to block short will find a good option for the replacement of frictionless pimples. Spin reversal will be quite good when chop-blocking (inexistent if performing a normal block but 979 Xiying is no Superblock) and the great control of this rubber gives you the possibility to place the ball anywhere on the table with no problem. The wobbling balls you can produce with it are a real asset too.
The classical defender who's chopping again and again and again will enjoy the great control and very low speed of this pips which allows to return heavy top spins or attacks very easily.

As far as I am concerned, I am a modern defender and I dig playing with it. My game continues to evolve and improve and 979 Xiying gives me a bunch of new strokes I couldn't do with any of the pips I played before.

I play it on a Yin He Li-Qian LQ-2 blade; nimbus Sound on the forehand.
Blocking top spins during training is done with players ranked between 300 and 800 best players in France.



Thank you Marathon Man.
and welcome to the forum

So is the pimple the same as globe? Top to bottom? Or left to right

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Hey Marathon Man!

I actually bought the rubber after reading your posts on the other forum :-)

Have been trying it out for the last 2 weeks. I found the material in the XY979 is identical to the Avalox MO, however the pips on the XY are a little bit longer.

I agree the XY is very slow (slower than the MO even though the pips are longer). Drop shots are a dream, but it does take some practice to constantly clear the net. I am more of an "At the table blocker" and haven't mastered the XY completely in this respect. I can get one or two blocks back but the consistency is not there. Quite a few still overshoot the table. (To me it is not as good as the Insider when blocking, but it does offer more options.)

I agree it is a good hitting rubber as well (quite surprisingly since it is very slow when playing passively, but quite fast when playing actively.)

Chopping away from the table wasn't that good for me, especially on spinny loops. I could not keep the ball tight. I think the MO has the edge here, but I am not a specialised chopper so my technique might not be up to scratch.

You mentioned the rubber returns a lot of wobbly balls. I can't really reproduce that. Might be the blade you use.

I read your thread about the LQ-2 as well. I am playing the XY on an Instinct blade. I will try the XY on a DE-1 blade next week to see if it blocks any better, if not I might get a LQ-2 to try it on.

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Thanks a lot Ben! :P

I had forgotten about this LP until you posted more good stuff on it! Now I'm going to have to start looking for it again. :wink:

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anyone know where this pip is available?

I'm interested if it is in fact different from globe's 979 and retains the vertical pip structure.

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Hi Reb,

Your welcome. This LP is interesting and does play differently from all the others I have tried so far, but I am not yet convinced it is the perfect solution. I didn't find the chopping nor the blocking to be that great out of the box (even though I am willing to give it a little more time to prove itself.)
It is one of the best hitting LPs I have tried (not as good as the PK but still good.)
The slowness is its strength in the short game. The angles you can play with it are amazing.
It is a rubber that gives you good control over ball placement, so you have to think more carefully about your shots.

@Joo: I got mine from eacheng. It does NOT have a vertical pip structure.
Talking about vertical pip structures, I noticed the other day that the Prize LIQIN has a vertical pip structure even though it is an inverted.

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Just came back from training using the XY979 on the DE-1. I also had a Kokatu 911 to test on my Instinct but enjoyed the XY so much I didn't bother swapping.

OK so here is the mini review. The XY plays a lot better on the DE-1 and this combination is the most versatile I have tried yet.

Unlike the MO that blocked well on the Instinct but not so good on the DE-1, the XY is the opposite, which is nice. Blocks are not as good as Insider, but still manageable. The XY really starts to shine when you take one or two steps back and start chopping. You can really load the ball with spin. Since I am not really a chopper I was experimenting a bit but could keep the balls quite tight. Towards the end I was getting this wristy chop going that was deadly for the opponent.

The DE-1 + XY is the best hitting combo as well out of all the LPs I have tried so far (bar the PK, which is a MP). (Brush loops are also possible.)
It can be very slow when you want it to be. Crazy angle serves are definitely possible but still fast enough to put the ball away when needed.

I don't find the deception to be that good. The only stroke people have a hard time with is the flick or the hard push. I never really saw the ball wobble but it offers very good control.

I might stick with this combo and adopt a more defensive style on my BH and see where it leads.
I had a hard time finding a rubber to work with the DE-1 on my BH but I think this is it. I really like the prize LIQIN on the FH. It produces amazing brush loops with a lot of control and chops quite well in defence as well. So this might be it fellows. The perfect combo for me :-) ... time will tell.

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That sounds like what i'm looking for. Just 1 question before I go out and buy it: Do you work for them?
Realy good review. Thanks


Steve Winnard at Custom Table Tennis in Leeds may have some of this rubber. I got a sheet from him a few months back.
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