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bvautier wrote:


I think that with the Xiying you always really have to play your shots. It isn't possible to use a light passive block for returning a spinny serve (as it is for instance with Friendship 837 or the Palio LP). You have to play actively, so that you yourself will determine how the pips will bend, and not leave it to the incoming ball. Especially at close distance you have to chop-block or lift or side-sweep aggressively against incoming spin. At medium distance, though, allowing the ball to travel further and drop a bit so you can brush it close to its bottom, you won't be troubled much by incoming side-spin. I believe the rubber has been advertised in Germany as fitting for close to the table blocking and hitting, which it does well, actually, but in my opinion that is telling half the story only; I think the rubber is best when used for close to the table attack and aggressive defense alternated with safe defense at medium/long distance. This means you will have to move in and out a lot - not just stay close.

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Kees,

I think you are spot on. After trying various LPs with sponge I am coming back to the XY 979 black. (Black is a lot faster than red.). The main problem I have with all other LPs (sponged or OX) is that none of them allow me to consistently block hard spinny loops except for this one. On top of that it is one of the best attacking LPs as well and deals with no-spin balls extremely well. I think the key is that you have to play this LP like a SP. As you noted before all strokes have to be active. Good thing is that you can nearly attack everything, even lazy loops.
As a note, blocking with this LP requires a closed angle as it is one of the grippiest LPs out there. Needless to say that disruption is nearly non-existent however it has a lot of control, is a lot less sensitive to spin than a normal SP or an inverted rubber for that matter, and actually chops well away from the table.

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FH: Joola Express Ultra Max, BH: Giant Dragon Talon OX , Blade: Nexy Hannibal
FH: Tibhar Sinus Alpha Max, BH: Tibhar Sinus Alpha Max , Blade: Nexy Hannibal

Is any one still using Xiying 979? How does it compare with the new long pimple rubbers?

IMHO, Xiying 979 is the most inconsistent rubber between sheets, especially in black.. Some of them are super slow, others are very fast. Some have softer pips, others have harder pips. If I buy 10 sheets of Xiying 979, there are about 2 - 3 sheets that play similar to each other and the rest plays different.. Red is more consistent..

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Dr. Neubauer Firewall Plus with DHS G888 1.8 mm and Giant Dragon Dragon Talon OX National Team

Pushblocker, Thanks!

Oh yeah.

I ordered Xiying ox (RED) and I was expecting the slowest pips available (on my Matsushita pro). Well, many have said in the forum, that it is the slowest.

And what did I got? If Pogo speed is 5 and Palio 531 is 7, then my Xiying's speed is 8 or 9. I was expecting the speed of 3, but got speed of 9.

It's playable though, but brush chopping/pushing with open blade is hard or impossible to do, because ball will pop up (because of the hard pips?). So chopping/pushing must be done with nearly vertical blade.

I too got a red one that seems to be on the faster side and couldn`t make enough backspin. when chopping the pips don`t seem to bend enough even with a full stroke away from the table and pushing over the table leaves the ball too high for me,however this is one of the best I`ve got for attacking over the table but I need more than just that

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Tsp Black Balsa 3.0 Tenergy 05 1.9 388d ox black

Globe 979 or Xiying 979

Which is the most versatile to play all the long pips shots ?

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Panda Drive / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max / Play right-handed
XVT balsa carbon 10mm / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Globe 979 Long Pips OX / Play Left-handed shakehand
Stiga Def Wood / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH GD CC LP OX .. Play Left-handed
Cpen SOS Wood / 4H 729 802-40 2.0 / BH GD Talon use righthanded shakehand grip
HARDBAT / Shakehand Hock 3 ply / Friendship Dr Evil OX .. Play Right-handed

Tried both a while back and much favoured Globe to Xiying 979. I felt Globe was a better allround pip compared to Xiying. I eventually settled for Bomb Talent OX

I found Globe to be good as an all around LP. Xiying 979 excels at being very slow even on my TSP 8.5 balsa OFF+ blade.

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Blade: TSP 8.5 Balsa: FH Andro Blowfish+ 2.0 (Black);BH Giant Dragon National Team Talon OX(Red)
Blade: TSP 8.5 Balsa: FH TSP Spectol Blue 2.0-2.1 (Black); BH Strahlkraft OX (Red)
Blade: TSP 8.5 Balsa: FH Joola Express Ultra Max (Black): BH Dornenglanz II OX (Red)

USATT Rating: 1682

I am going to try the OX version in red. Since this rubber has the thickest rubber base of long pips, It probably plays more like other long pips which have .5 sponge.

Jun 15 Update - I tried this rubber yesterday .. no problems .. chop blocking .. pushing .. slow speed is good for regular blocking .. like it as well a my other long pips ..

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Panda Drive / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max / Play right-handed
XVT balsa carbon 10mm / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Globe 979 Long Pips OX / Play Left-handed shakehand
Stiga Def Wood / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH GD CC LP OX .. Play Left-handed
Cpen SOS Wood / 4H 729 802-40 2.0 / BH GD Talon use righthanded shakehand grip
HARDBAT / Shakehand Hock 3 ply / Friendship Dr Evil OX .. Play Right-handed

I play a penholder twiddle Short pip & Long Pip game.

I have been previously using Palio ck531a in 1.0 but I must say, I simply like Xiying 979 OX in red better.

While I have been thoroughly convinced that the 979 chops easier off the table (but I don't get into those points all that often), I read some comment from someone somewhere (think it was pushblocker) who said this rubber is extremely easy with blocking. All you have to do is put your paddle out there. It's so true.

I've always handled topspin balls with the standard close to the table chop-block. While you can certainly do this with the 979, I tested out simply holding my blade completely still and perpendicular to the table while the robot fired away. To my surprise, balls all got on the table and with the completely neutral blade face, the ball didn't kick up high from the topspin. Typically one would chop block to help keep the ball low or to maximize the amount of backspin.

Realizing I could get away with this, (have never been able to do this with other OX LP rubbers I've tried in the past. Those balls typically die & go into the net) I slowly started backhand blocking those topspin balls somewhat similar to how I would with my short pips backhand punch. Slightly moving the blade forward with a punching motion. Still the same result with getting the ball on the table with a little pace. Would these balls have the same amount of backspin as a chop-block? probably not. But they'd still have backspin and are certainly faster. It's a nice spin variation & pace game you can play choosing between the two shots.

Ultimately I have settled on the opinion that this can be a pretty solid attacking LP where you can have more freedom to do your standard strokes closely to what you might normally do (coming from a short pipers prospective) and still get the ball on the table. I'm very impressed.

Will try to get some club footage in the coming weeks.

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Stiga Clipper Classic
FH - TSP Spectol Red 2.0
BH - Dawei 388D-a 1.5

I let another club member, who plays old style penhold, try my paddle. The person could 4H hit very good with this rubber.

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Panda Drive / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max / Play right-handed
XVT balsa carbon 10mm / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Globe 979 Long Pips OX / Play Left-handed shakehand
Stiga Def Wood / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH GD CC LP OX .. Play Left-handed
Cpen SOS Wood / 4H 729 802-40 2.0 / BH GD Talon use righthanded shakehand grip
HARDBAT / Shakehand Hock 3 ply / Friendship Dr Evil OX .. Play Right-handed

Sorry for reviving dead cats, but this rubber sounds quite interesting. Does someone know if this rubber is considered legal since it's on the LARC but without the 80-002 printed on it since a rubber with these numbers simply doesn't exist and there's also no stamp-image within the LARC? In theory, if a rubber-brand has a leading number 003 etc. it also has to be on the rubber-stamp which can be seen by Galaxy etc. where sometimes 2 brands and stamps for the a rubber exist.

And what is it with the weight of this rubber, some noticed it to be heavy but I can't find any weight measurements anywhere.

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Red is blogging here >> http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=30522

There's a rumor that it was banned for being too thick.

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