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Thank you very much for the pictures hebel_st!

The sheet looks very high quality!

PS Welcome to the forum!

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Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
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Here some Pictures made by me:





My new blade arrived today. One Session today with the new blade and the old Dornenglanz and then change to Feuerstich. Next Training at wednesday.

I am looking forward to test the feuerstich.

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My main Blade:
LKT Black Whirlwind Spinlord Marder II 1,8 Spinlord Dornenglanz 0x
alternate Blades:
Yasaka Allround Jean-Phillipe Gatien Meteor 835 2,0 Friendship 799 1,5
TT-Manufactur KFD Orginal Dawei 388 A-4 Spinlord Dornenglanz 0x

hebel_st, thanks for the clear picture.

here is one of a new sheet of DTec.S to compare.

I counted the number of rows and number of pips per row. Both have pip filled areas of 17 cm x 14.8 cm

FS = 62 horizontal x 47 vertical = 2914 pips
DTec.S = 52 horizontal x 52 vertical = 2704 pips

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--- Push/Chop or Attack ---
USATT 1684 left, Lost it all by playing sick and hurt.
No legs left, no more backing up, just smash it!
Blade: TTPiet OFF-/ALL custom
FH: Spinlord Waran Short Pips
BH: Joola Badman Reloaded 0X

hebel_st, can you tell us how people are gluing it to their blades?

I asked ttdd.de and they suggested to use a glue sheet, but i am concerned that if i use a glue sheet that it will cause the rubber not to work as well, as is the case with DTec.S 0x.

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--- Push/Chop or Attack ---
USATT 1684 left, Lost it all by playing sick and hurt.
No legs left, no more backing up, just smash it!
Blade: TTPiet OFF-/ALL custom
FH: Spinlord Waran Short Pips
BH: Joola Badman Reloaded 0X

Thanks hebel_st!

IN your picture the sheet looks a lot less shiny. Was that the case, or is it just the picture that makes it look less shiny?

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OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis bats
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide

I could only compare to a new Dornenglanz.
The Feuerstich was not as shiny as the Dornenglanz.

I played my new blade yesterday for about 2 hours. Its a KFD orginal with a Dornenglanz on BH.
After the training i have changed to Feuerstich.
I try to play it today. But maybe i have to wait for tomorrow.

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My main Blade:
LKT Black Whirlwind Spinlord Marder II 1,8 Spinlord Dornenglanz 0x
alternate Blades:
Yasaka Allround Jean-Phillipe Gatien Meteor 835 2,0 Friendship 799 1,5
TT-Manufactur KFD Orginal Dawei 388 A-4 Spinlord Dornenglanz 0x

That sounds very promising!

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OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis bats
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide

I used as usual a voc free latex glue
http://www.schuett-sport.de/Tischtennis/Zubehoer/Kleben/IMPERIAL-Latex-Glue-VOC-frei-37ml.html

So that there is nothing between blade an rubber.

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My main Blade:
LKT Black Whirlwind Spinlord Marder II 1,8 Spinlord Dornenglanz 0x
alternate Blades:
Yasaka Allround Jean-Phillipe Gatien Meteor 835 2,0 Friendship 799 1,5
TT-Manufactur KFD Orginal Dawei 388 A-4 Spinlord Dornenglanz 0x

For OX sheets I usually use the glues with the sponges at the tip of the bottle (like Donic Formula First), as these glues tend to be much thinner and a little stronger.

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OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis bats
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide

for me block and light push is better with head (bottom top) aligned with closer pimples, and chop or 'top spin' (prosponded coming backspin) are better with sides of a head aligned with closer pimples...

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EJ with over 120 blades (30+ def) and 220 rubbers (30+ LP), all active or new

I think horizontal aligned pips are good for chops; whereas vertically aligned pips are intended for attacks.

Horizontally aligned pips become vertical when u hold your blade to the side, and vice-versa with vertical aligned pips...

Depending on what you are trying to do with your shot, you should be orienting your hand/paddle differently. I know my coach has had me doing pushes at the table with my paddle vertical and leading with my hand, felt really odd at first, but was considerably easier to make really strong shots especially vs. both extremely heavy back spin and no spin, that is once I got the form down. Now I am not exactly sure how much of it had to do with pip orientation vs. the mechanics of my arm, but what I am getting at is I dont think the vertical/horizontal pip alignment determines whether it is good at 1 thing or another, but has a lot to do with your technique, and other factors of the pips in general.

I am not intending to discount the topic of pip alignment though, I have to say the first thing I noticed about the pictures of the Feuerstich was the vertical alignment (thanks to hebel for the picks). After reading the topic here I was getting excited to think about what playing with vertically aligned Dtecs would be like

GR might be right though, for what is generally considered "correct" technique

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VKM
Tenergy 05 2.1
Feint Long III .5

DTec.S pips are horizontally aligned vs the Feuerstich being vertical. It gets lots of reversal on a passive block, and more with an active block or chop, but I sure wouldn't say its easy to chop with. As a matter of fact, I would say its difficult to chop with, but that might be caused by its speed, not necessarily its pips alignment or very sparse pips density. With hard wood and no sponge, the DTec.S is "crisp" to attack with, but its difficult to control those balls.

In my experience thus far, as compared to the DTec.S, the closest rubbers I've tried to it are the Globe 979 (vertical), Dawei 388D-1 (horizontal), and Giant Dragon Talon (horizontal).

The only problems I have with the DTec.S are its high cost, short lifetime, and difficulty in controlling the attacking balls. The difficulty in controlling attack balls might just be a function of the speed and grip (which gives the reversal).

One thing I don't know is whether the DTec.S pips are grippy on the sides or not.

The Feuerstich marketing text sounds like what I want from a rubber, and I'm hoping that the pips being sparse and soft/bendable and grippy on the sides will give me lots of deception, like the DTec.S, and allow me to get massive backspin on deep chops, and maybe I can learn to control those attack balls better. If I can do that for 1/2 the price of DTec.S, I'll be a happy customer.

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--- Push/Chop or Attack ---
USATT 1684 left, Lost it all by playing sick and hurt.
No legs left, no more backing up, just smash it!
Blade: TTPiet OFF-/ALL custom
FH: Spinlord Waran Short Pips
BH: Joola Badman Reloaded 0X

Hi
First session with Feuerstich finished.

I used a KFD ORG from tt-manufaktur as blade.

I have 2 main points.
First:
This rubber is made for attack and active balls. Very easy to do and extreme dangerous for your opponent.
Second:
If you play passiv it has an enormous errorrate.
Had hughe problems with fast and with undercut serves.
In normal gameplay to less glitch and many easy points for the opponent.
Long defence better but there are many rubbers better.

I changed back to Dornenglanz, but i will give the feuerstich an extra chance in october.
5 weeks without any league matches.

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My main Blade:
LKT Black Whirlwind Spinlord Marder II 1,8 Spinlord Dornenglanz 0x
alternate Blades:
Yasaka Allround Jean-Phillipe Gatien Meteor 835 2,0 Friendship 799 1,5
TT-Manufactur KFD Orginal Dawei 388 A-4 Spinlord Dornenglanz 0x

Doesn't sound so promising anymore. It sounds like maybe it doesn't have the amount of reversal I'm expecting, and I'll get killed if the passive shots no longer mysteriously find the table with ugly spins.

I'm thinking about just stretching on old sheets of DTec.S, and just keep doing that till they are totally unplayable. I'm not playing well enough and can't afford new rubbers all the time to play tournaments anyway.

To quote from a forgotten blues tune...

"If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck at all"

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--- Push/Chop or Attack ---
USATT 1684 left, Lost it all by playing sick and hurt.
No legs left, no more backing up, just smash it!
Blade: TTPiet OFF-/ALL custom
FH: Spinlord Waran Short Pips
BH: Joola Badman Reloaded 0X