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Which Nittaku, the SHA? I heard that ball is utter rubbish.

I tried the Nittaku Premium+ today and I think it's the best plastic ball I've played with, certainly the closest to celluloid.

There's still a difference in backspin - i.e. there's a bit less - but it's just as hard for an attacker to counteract that backspin with a loop. That balances out nicely.

Problem is, I suspect over time, it'll work against choppers. The margins for error are lower because the new ball is easier to drive/slap. At the moment against a lot of players we can often get away with chopping the ball mid-long with a bit of height, especially if there's a lot of backspin on the ball. Now though the plastic ball bounces a bit higher and carries less spin which means length in particularly will be absolutely vital. Get that ball a bit too short and it'll get slapped past you.

I've heard of two top national level players switching from LPs to SPs.

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Wow, I'm surprised to hear you even had two national players playing with LPs

I thought the Nittaku SHA was not a bad ball actually...perhaps there are good and bad batches, just like with most of the other plastic balls.

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Which two have switched, and to what? That is a dramatic move.

No idea which Nittaku by the way, just that it was a 3 star.

You're right about length, but trajectory after bouncing is a major difference. The further you have to retreat in order to chop the ball at waist hight increases the disadvantage. Your point about lack of spin balancing out is incorrect in my opinion. As a chopper you have no sensible alternative shot other than to accept the lower spin. As an attacker you can drive through the ball, or you can recover your loop advantage by enhancing your equipment with ever faster/spinnier/boosted rubbers in an unlimited arms race. Development of Long pimples are of course deliberately curtailed by the ITTF.


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totally agree with you
now a days length of chop will be much more important
and for me lower,flatter on the end of table chops are the most dangerous

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Sorry, I don't mean national like Paul Drinkhall or Liam Pitchford, I mean national league.

I'm going to play a season of national league and local league with the LPs and see what conclusions I come to at the end. I've always wanted an excuse to use SPs but even with the new ball my problem will remain the same (if a little less exaggerated) - need more space to play.

I think LP to SP may be a bit of a dramatic move, possibly just because LP players are feeling hard done to.

Truth is though, despite all of our theorising, I've yet to see anyone say "played 10 league matches with this ball and I performed noticeably worse". I guess that kind of comment will take time though, so let's see what happens in 6-12 months' time.

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[Other gear I've used]
Blades: Butterfly Defence 3, Butterfly Defence Pro, Butterfly Innerforce ZLC, Butterfly Innershield, DHS Power G7, Stiga Offensive Classic Carbon
SPs: Friendship 802 (1.5), TSP Spectol (1.3, 1.8, 2.1), TSP Spectol Speed (1.3), TSP Super Spinpips Chop Sponge 2 (0.5, 1.3)
LPs: Butterfly Feint Long II (1), Butterfly Feint Long III (0.5, 1.3), Tibhar Grass D.TecS (OX), TSP Curl P1-R (0.5, 1, 1.3), TSP Curl P4 (1.3)