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What he means is push heavy-ish with the inverted which they will reverse into a relatively easier to work topspin. You don't have to kill it either but it gets you back into "spin".

Right, something like this:
No-spun ball is coming to you, to your bh.
You flip ur racket and push it (hard) with ur inverted - you now send backspin to your opponent.
If your opponent push or punch it with his lp, then a (little) topspin is now coming to you.
Now you can work with talon.
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CelestialBoy wrote:
irenic wrote:
What he means is push heavy-ish with the inverted which they will reverse into a relatively easier to work topspin. You don't have to kill it either but it gets you back into "spin".

Right, something like this:
No-spun ball is coming to you, to your bh.
You flip ur racket and push it (hard) with ur inverted - you now send backspin to your opponent.
If your opponent push or punch it with his lp, then a (little) topspin is now coming to you.
Now you can work with talon.

Depends on the opponents setup and skill. A good lp player who knows how to use his pips will know how to take the spin off the ball, as long as their pips have enough friction to do it.. For example, if I serve heavy topspin into a Grass Dtecs, I usually get underspin back but for example, a skilled player with a Curl P1R will be able to neutralize my topspin serve..

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Is the pogo pips a lot fatter than the Talon ?

It is SLOWER than Talon and therefore has more control against no spin.


Sorry .. I meant .. are the pogo pips a lot thicker than the Talon ?

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Pushblocker wrote:
CelestialBoy wrote:
irenic wrote:
What he means is push heavy-ish with the inverted which they will reverse into a relatively easier to work topspin. You don't have to kill it either but it gets you back into "spin".

Right, something like this:
No-spun ball is coming to you, to your bh.
You flip ur racket and push it (hard) with ur inverted - you now send backspin to your opponent.
If your opponent push or punch it with his lp, then a (little) topspin is now coming to you.
Now you can work with talon.

Depends on the opponents setup and skill. A good lp player who knows how to use his pips will know how to take the spin off the ball, as long as their pips have enough friction to do it.. For example, if I serve heavy topspin into a Grass Dtecs, I usually get underspin back but for example, a skilled player with a Curl P1R will be able to neutralize my topspin serve..


Sure, but if a LP opponent is good enough to judge every ball and manipulate it, using friction LP yourself will probably be more disadvantage than advantage. It will only work if that's the only thing they can do, which seems unlikely if they use friction LP.
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Is the pogo pips a lot fatter than the Talon ?

It is SLOWER than Talon and therefore has more control against no spin.


Sorry .. I meant .. are the pogo pips a lot thicker than the Talon ?

no, they are not.. They are closer together than Talon.

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LOOPOVER wrote:
Is the pogo pips a lot fatter than the Talon ?

It is SLOWER than Talon and therefore has more control against no spin.

Sorry .. I meant .. are the pogo pips a lot thicker than the Talon ?

no, they are not.. They are closer together than Talon.


I use GD Cropcircles .. which are thicker and closer together .. than Talon .. so it appears those types of LP have more control than Talon for pushing/control vs spinless balls ..

Do you agree ?

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LOOPOVER wrote:

I use GD Cropcircles .. which are thicker and closer together .. than Talon .. so it appears those types of LP have more control than Talon for pushing/control vs spinless balls ..

Do you agree ?

Yes, those rubbers have more control for sure.. However, there are other properties that come into play, especially speed.. Even if the pips are close together, I would still have a hard time controlling the ball if the rubber was fast.. Pogo has just the right speed for me Cropcircles is fine but I feel that Pogo blocks better than CC.. I think that Pogo is softer..

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Why is is that every time I read the title of this post, I read "New setup against spineless players" :lol: :lol: :lol:

:rofl: :rofl:

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How does Globe Mo Wang 2 ll OX compare for control vs spineless balls ?

Never tried MO Wang 2 for that purpose..

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Hello, with new era of poly balls i think hose who use Lp, must chop the balls away from table is more dangerous then short blocks on the table!
I use 1615 ox an i can chop near the table and far without problems!!!! If you recevie spinless balls you need to chop them.
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With these poly balls i tend to use more Fh for looping and the Lp only for take the serves and next attack with FH

Sorry for bad english i am from Romania!

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Spin Pips wrote:
Hello, with new era of poly balls i think hose who use Lp, must chop the balls away from table is more dangerous then short blocks on the table!
I use 1615 ox an i can chop near the table and far without problems!!!! If you recevie spinless balls you need to chop them.
P.M

With these poly balls i tend to use more Fh for looping and the Lp only for take the serves and next attack with FH

Sorry for bad english i am from Romania!


Interesting strategy and observation.

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