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I'm having big troubles against spinless players as I have a hard time with Talon against spinless opponents. After trying a few rubbers, I ended up picking Pogo on the same blade (Firewall Plus) instead of Talon and I can do a lot more against spinless players than with Talon. Talon has very little control against no spin while Pogo is a great allround pip. It has low disturbing effect but is great to hit and block, with high control for all types of strokes. Tried it against my coach with him pushing and hitting with long pips without any spin and unlike Talon, I could hit and chop with a lot more control than Talon against no spin..

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2010 Florida State Champion
Dr. Neubauer Firewall Plus with DHS G888 1.8 mm and Giant Dragon Dragon Talon OX National Team

Is the pogo pips a lot fatter than the Talon ?

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Panda Drive / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max / Play right-handed
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u should try dawei 388D1, its good vs no spin as well.
i guess most allround pips will be good

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Butterfly Defence II / Victas Curl P1V 0.5mm / Tibhar Evolution MX-P 2.0mm -185g

Why not flip ur racket and push with your inverted against no-spin?

Pushblocker: Are these players at your level? Are you planning on using 2 different set ups?

I ask because higher level players that I encounter can no spin me to death OR spin me to death. It's their option.

What about your game do you feel needs to change (if anything) that will allow you to block with your same proficiency and also handle a skilled player sending you no spin?

It is SLOWER than Talon and therefore has more control against no spin.

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2010 Florida State Champion
Dr. Neubauer Firewall Plus with DHS G888 1.8 mm and Giant Dragon Dragon Talon OX National Team

I have tried D-1 and it is too fast for me on my blade which is fairly fast.

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2010 Florida State Champion
Dr. Neubauer Firewall Plus with DHS G888 1.8 mm and Giant Dragon Dragon Talon OX National Team

Pushing will not win me the match against a long pips pusher. I need to win against those types of players by hitting/attacking. I could just use short pips on the backhand for that but my service return with anything but long pios sucks. Pogo is well balanced and works for all strokes. It is the best of all the rubbers that I have tried against no spin.
I don't have the technique with inverted to open up, just to kill the ball if high enough. If the opponent pushes low, i can't hit, even with inverted.

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2010 Florida State Champion
Dr. Neubauer Firewall Plus with DHS G888 1.8 mm and Giant Dragon Dragon Talon OX National Team

What triggered the 2nd setup was a loss to a 1819 player at the LA Open. With the old ball, I never lost to anyone sub 2000 for many years but with the new ball, I have a really hard time against no spin. The 1819 player was a long pips penhold pushblocker..
Inverted players can never produce a truly spinless ball. It is extremely difficult for them. I only need a little bit on the ball. I never saw truly spinless balls from a inverted player.. Low spin does not give me problems, just completely spinless. Especially when playing those inverted players who try to play medium high with low spin, I can beat as I can attack those balls by stepping around and attacking with the forehand. My problem are spinless low balls. I don't have a open up stroke that is consistent, just a kill shot. Not being able to open up, makes it very difficult for me against players who play low and spinless. Against medium high and spinless, I can kill the ball but not against low and deep spinless balls. I can open up with pogo with a stroke similar to playing with sandpaper and I'm a pretty decent sandpaper player. Pogo has decent grip but it is fairly insensitive against incoming spin.

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2010 Florida State Champion
Dr. Neubauer Firewall Plus with DHS G888 1.8 mm and Giant Dragon Dragon Talon OX National Team

eee... pogo is 10% faster than 388D1... (tested on def2)

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Butterfly Defence II / Victas Curl P1V 0.5mm / Tibhar Evolution MX-P 2.0mm -185g

What he means is push heavy-ish with the inverted which they will reverse into a relatively easier to work topspin. You don't have to kill it either but it gets you back into "spin".

There is some qa inconsistency in many chinese pips, but from what I can in his videos pushblocker mostly pushes in a very specific way (low throw, mostly passive or forward a bit) you also need to evaluate that one shot for speed. I also suspect he sometime doesn't quite use a pip straight out of the package because I couldn't replicate the stopblocks he was getting with similar equipment.

Yup.
It's a whole new ball game with the poly ball ( please excuse pun ).

The world now spins on a different axis!

All reviews should now be quantified as to what balls were used.

What fascinates me is the amount of old boys who say they don't notice any difference???
I see them making poly ball type mistakes and they think their game is off - quite amazing!

Good luck with your new set up Pushy, Pogo is a good rubber!

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There are 2 versions of 388d-1.. the regular and the quattro version. They are quite different.. it's not just the sponge. The quattro topsheet is softer and faster.. I tried the quattro version. The regular version had a trajectory that was too high..the quattro version had a very low trajectory.

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2010 Florida State Champion
Dr. Neubauer Firewall Plus with DHS G888 1.8 mm and Giant Dragon Dragon Talon OX National Team

I might still try other setups but I like the way I can hit with it.. It's very similar stroke to using hardhat or sandpaper..
Against players that have spin (90% of all players), I will still use Talon..

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2010 Florida State Champion
Dr. Neubauer Firewall Plus with DHS G888 1.8 mm and Giant Dragon Dragon Talon OX National Team