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Pipsy,

I wish that I had time to post more often on the forum. I feel that I learn a lot more from the forum than I contribute. My university has one week off for Thanksgiving, and I am caught up on work-related deadlines, so I am taking advantage of the break by posting to the forum.

Thanks for your comment. I am learning a lot from you and others in their responses to my initial post.

My memories of Toni Hold antispin match your description of antispin. When chopping, the antispin would remove much of the topspin, and the variation in the amount of backspin I could make was much less than with P1R. I would not intentionally try to increase the amount of backspin with the antispin, as I do now with P1R.

I would enjoy trying antispin again, both for comparison to P1R and for nostalgia, but no one at my club uses it.

Steven

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Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk
Butterfly Tenergy 80-FX 1.9mm
TSP Curl P1R 1.4-1.7mm
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Returned to table tennis September 2011
Canada National Team Member, 1973-1975
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1972-1987
Brickell Balsa/Birch 3-ply Blade
Yasaka Mark V 1.5mm
Joola Toni Hold AntiTopspin 2.5mm

Well, it's certainly possible to remove the topspin with P1-R. Just counter or passive block an incoming topspin ball. However, I think at a certain rotation it isn't possible anymore to annihilate that rotation. I call that "remainder reversal".

When chopping it is also possible to do this. Just don't use any wrist action when chopping.

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My understanding of sponge thickness on LPs is...

Thinner sponge = more reversal
Thicker sponge = less reversal, more ability to generate spin

On a chop, this won't make too much difference. The .5mm sponge on P1-R will get more backspin (from reversal) on a first chop than the 1.5mm sponge.

On a push however, the thicker sponge gives you the opportunity to either "dig in" and play a light backspin push (vs. backspin) or roll the ball off the pimples to get float/reversal on the push.

In Joo's interview, if you remember, he said that he "very rarely" varied spin on his chops but implied that he did use variation on the push. Against some of his opponents I think it's this variation which stops them from lashing the ball past him.

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LPs: Butterfly Feint Long II (1), Butterfly Feint Long III (0.5, 1.3), Tibhar Grass D.TecS (OX), TSP Curl P1-R (0.5, 1, 1.3), TSP Curl P4 (1.3)