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I have used Dtechs for some time now and wonder P1R 0,5 is compared to Dtechs 0,5 in these parameters:

Hitting
Disturbance
Blocking
Service return

I hit a lot with my Dtechs and would Like to test an alternative.
I need an brilliant chopping ability as Well.

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[color=#FF0000]Setup 1: Joola Chen Weixing - Tenergy 05 2.1 red - Tibhar Grass Dtechs Black 0,5
Current rating : 1825.

2 totally different rubbers, in fact, probably opposites in terms of characteristics. DTECS is traditionally a blocking rubber, although chops well. But it's slippery. P-1R is traditionally a chopping rubber, although can block well with the right technique, with very little sponge. I chop with P-1R almost exclusively, but throw in an occasional block or dead ball return with it.

P-1R vs. Dtecs:
Hitting- Much easier than Dtecs due to the aid of the grip, especially vs. topspin. You can add more topspin to your hits which give the hits a slight arc and aids them back down to the table. P-1R is very good for hitting, but not as difficult to return for the enemy. But hitting with Dtecs is always a gamble (for me atleast) because you can add very little spin quality to the ball.

Disturbance - I don't personally believe in this term, because to me disturbance is relative to the opponent and what that particular person finds difficult to deal with. Some people are less "disturbed" by reversal or braking effect than others. In fact, the guys I play against have no problem with Dtecs (from other players who push block with them), but they struggle with good chopping rubbers because spin variation and extreme underspin is more troubling. That being said, most people consider "Disturbance" reversal and wobble, and P-1R doesn't really do that. Personally, I hate playing vs. dtecs and am very disturbed by them even as a pips player.

Blocking - Dtecs are a blocking pip, but if you are wanting to take spin off the incoming ball P-1R is better for that. As with all of this it depends on your technique and what you're used to. What is your criteria for good blocking? Reversal? If so, then Dtecs is better here. P-1R is much slower though.

Service return - Dtecs are far less spin sensitive, but if someone knows how to play vs. pips, you can get 3rd balled off the table. For me, P-1R, using an inverted push vs. underspin serves or a chop vs. topspin serves, p-1r pushes better in the sense of creating it's own spin. That feel and quality (for me) makes it better vs. serves. But if you're thinking about returning serves because they're hard to read the spin, Dtecs will be better.

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I am a chopper but need the ability to attack with lp when the opponent just lifts and plays passively.
I would like to upgrade to the Joo Se Hyuk blade, but find it too fast with Dtechs.
I expect P1R to be slower and therefore easier to chop with ?
my chopping is pretty good with Dtechs but think it could be even better with P1R.
I just like to take the pace off the ball when blocking, i find it too difficult dtechs.

Is there a big difference between red and black sheets ?
preferably black would suit me since i have a Tenergy 05FX 1,9 red on the forehand.

Soren

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[color=#FF0000]Setup 1: Joola Chen Weixing - Tenergy 05 2.1 red - Tibhar Grass Dtechs Black 0,5
Current rating : 1825.

Hi Guys

I have been trying Out The P1R for some time, but Dtechs is just Much more
Tolerant When Hitting an chip Out of position.
I still feel that Dtechs chops great so I might just have to accept at more passive LP game at the table.
I have thought about DG but I am afraid that it doesnt chop very good

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[color=#FF0000]Setup 1: Joola Chen Weixing - Tenergy 05 2.1 red - Tibhar Grass Dtechs Black 0,5
Current rating : 1825.

DG chops amazingly, but it's a bit difficult to control in he short game sometimes. And it's not great vs people who don't spin much, so you need to be good at putting spin on the ball yourself.

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Read about another rubber on here, seems to fit what your looking for, watch a video of a player using like your describing.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6777

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Panda Drive / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max / Play right-handed
XVT balsa carbon 10mm / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Globe 979 Long Pips OX / Play Left-handed shakehand
Stiga Def Wood / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH GD CC LP OX .. Play Left-handed
Cpen SOS Wood / 4H 729 802-40 2.0 / BH GD Talon use righthanded shakehand grip
HARDBAT / Shakehand Hock 3 ply / Friendship Dr Evil OX .. Play Right-handed

I mostly chop, so I do NOT Think that it Will suffice.
I am thinking about trying DG with 0,6 sponge.
I hope it Will chop Well.

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[color=#FF0000]Setup 1: Joola Chen Weixing - Tenergy 05 2.1 red - Tibhar Grass Dtechs Black 0,5
Current rating : 1825.

Both Globe 979 OX and GD Cropcircles OX are good for chopping and inexpensive.

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Panda Drive / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max / Play right-handed
XVT balsa carbon 10mm / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Globe 979 Long Pips OX / Play Left-handed shakehand
Stiga Def Wood / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH GD CC LP OX .. Play Left-handed
Cpen SOS Wood / 4H 729 802-40 2.0 / BH GD Talon use righthanded shakehand grip
HARDBAT / Shakehand Hock 3 ply / Friendship Dr Evil OX .. Play Right-handed

Is it avaiable with sponge ?
I dont like ox

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[color=#FF0000]Setup 1: Joola Chen Weixing - Tenergy 05 2.1 red - Tibhar Grass Dtechs Black 0,5
Current rating : 1825.

Both Globe 979 and GD CC are available with sponge.

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Panda Drive / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max / Play right-handed
XVT balsa carbon 10mm / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Globe 979 Long Pips OX / Play Left-handed shakehand
Stiga Def Wood / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH GD CC LP OX .. Play Left-handed
Cpen SOS Wood / 4H 729 802-40 2.0 / BH GD Talon use righthanded shakehand grip
HARDBAT / Shakehand Hock 3 ply / Friendship Dr Evil OX .. Play Right-handed

I am about to test both pips in 0,5.
I just have 1 more tournament this season, after that i will EJ a little hahah

i want to test curl p1 , dtecs and Dornenglaz in 0,5.
What is a good spong to put under DG?

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Victas Koji Matsushita
Thibar Hybrid k1 euro max
TSP Curl p1-r 1.0

none

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I am testing Dornenglanz soon in 0,6 ( sweden glued ) from Japsko
I tried it earlier but on a too fast blade, i have high hopes for this one.

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[color=#FF0000]Setup 1: Joola Chen Weixing - Tenergy 05 2.1 red - Tibhar Grass Dtechs Black 0,5
Current rating : 1825.

DG chops amazingly, but it's a bit difficult to control in he short game sometimes. And it's not great vs people who don't spin much, so you need to be good at putting spin on the ball yourself.[/

Hmm my problem with Dtechs is against no spin Balls, I was Hoping that
DG would be a little better at that.

I need a rubber that chops Well, that works good against nospin balls - I cannot
Handle Curl P1r against High spin.

Does such a rubber exits ?

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[color=#FF0000]Setup 1: Joola Chen Weixing - Tenergy 05 2.1 red - Tibhar Grass Dtechs Black 0,5
Current rating : 1825.

I just cut a dtechs 0.5 toady, and found that is not the same sponge of the 1.2 version that i played some years ago.
The sponge looks like barracudas sponge. Yellow porous sponge...
All the dtechs have changed sponge or just this 0.5 version?

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Victas Koji Matsushita
Thibar Hybrid k1 euro max
TSP Curl p1-r 1.0