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Lorre
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The best chopping LPs give very good backspin with the best control. So what's control? What gives you the best results in terms of (1) getting the most balls back on the table and (2) getting the balls back where you want them to be. (1) and (2) are very much correlated.

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Lorre wrote:
The best chopping LPs give very good backspin with the best control. So what's control? What gives you the best results in terms of (1) getting the most balls back on the table and (2) getting the balls back where you want them to be. (1) and (2) are very much correlated.

Not in my question :-)
No sponge gives me control
Im looking for a OX LP with most backspin vs medium spin topspin

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Not in my question :-)
No sponge gives me control
Im looking for a OX LP with most backspin vs medium spin topspin


Just picking in on the conversation of the last couple of posts. I know you're looking for the most backspin in OX rubbers. My post was directed to others who read this topic.

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in OX, Feint Long 3, Curl p1 and Joola Octopus...double fish 1615 is not bad too...
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DHS Cloud and Fog 3 in 1.0 is a good chopping rubber with some attacking thrown in.

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deva sarjan wrote:
in OX, Feint Long 3, Curl p1 and Joola Octopus...double fish 1615 is not bad too...

agree with p1 and octopus
viper soft sucks.. its similar to dawei 388D1 and 4 time more expensive..

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RevanII wrote:
Lorre wrote:
Butterfly Feint II, Feint III
TSP P1-R, P4
Donic Spike P1, Spike P2, Piranja TEC
Tibhar DTecs
Joola Octopus


Not much more to say... perfect list

Considering you play in 1.0 mm, to create your own spin the best are:
Feint III > p4 = spike p2 (quite the same rubber) > Feint II > p1-r

To reverse spin i'd say:
DTecs > P1-r >= Octopus >= Spike p1

Of course as def-attack said you will find yourself better or worse (and produce different results) with one or another depending on your stroke...
For a defender i think the great "pinnacles/must try" are D.Tecs, p1-r, FII and FIII (p4 if you like 0.5 and very classic defense with BH)... if i have to guess D.tecs would be too on one side for you (too fast and ungrippy with huge reversal) and FIII too much on the opposite (too slow and grippy).
About chinese pips i answered in the other thread


I have used this fantastic information to help me. Thank you.
Could you do this list again but for rubbers in 0.5mm thickness sponge? Or would it be the same?
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garbol wrote:
Lorre wrote:
The best chopping LPs give very good backspin with the best control. So what's control? What gives you the best results in terms of (1) getting the most balls back on the table and (2) getting the balls back where you want them to be. (1) and (2) are very much correlated.

Not in my question :-)
No sponge gives me control
Im looking for a OX LP with most backspin vs medium spin topspin


I would say that Dtechs ox gives massive underspin in chops.
I just switched to 0,5 sponge since it gives me a little more opportunities.

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I use Dtecs OX, and get plenty of spin on chops. My coach uses 0.5 and also gets heaps of spin, but prefers a little sponge for attacking and spin variation.


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garbol wrote:
Im looking for a OX LP with most backspin vs medium spin topspin


If you send me a medium spin topspin and i chop with my bomb talent ox, you can't do another topspin without netting the ball. ;)
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garbol wrote:
Im looking for a OX LP with most backspin vs medium spin topspin


If you send me a medium spin topspin and i chop with my bomb talent ox, you can't do another topspin without netting the ball. ;)

I bet I could! :rock: :rock: :rock: 8) 8) 8) I challenge you!
EDIT: LOL, I'm just having fun, I probably wouldn't be able to do it in real life!

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ridderz65 wrote:
RevanII wrote:
Lorre wrote:
Butterfly Feint II, Feint III
TSP P1-R, P4
Donic Spike P1, Spike P2, Piranja TEC
Tibhar DTecs
Joola Octopus


Not much more to say... perfect list

Considering you play in 1.0 mm, to create your own spin the best are:
Feint III > p4 = spike p2 (quite the same rubber) > Feint II > p1-r

To reverse spin i'd say:
DTecs > P1-r >= Octopus >= Spike p1

Of course as def-attack said you will find yourself better or worse (and produce different results) with one or another depending on your stroke...
For a defender i think the great "pinnacles/must try" are D.Tecs, p1-r, FII and FIII (p4 if you like 0.5 and very classic defense with BH)... if i have to guess D.tecs would be too on one side for you (too fast and ungrippy with huge reversal) and FIII too much on the opposite (too slow and grippy).
About chinese pips i answered in the other thread


I have used this fantastic information to help me. Thank you.
Could you do this list again but for rubbers in 0.5mm thickness sponge? Or would it be the same?


It's quite the same really, they only get a bit closer because there's less sponge so the topsheet matters more.
A funny thing that happens with 0.5 and very soft sponges (for example with p4 is very evident) is that the ball often hits the blade through the sponge, so such rubbers for example may earn a lot of reversal/speed when blocking/chopblocking/hitting compared to 1 mm sponges.

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Danthespearton wrote:
I bet I could! :rock: :rock: :rock: 8) 8) 8) I challenge you!
EDIT: LOL, I'm just having fun, I probably wouldn't be able to do it in real life!

Challenge Accepted 8) :rofl:
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CelestialBoy wrote:
garbol wrote:
Im looking for a OX LP with most backspin vs medium spin topspin


If you send me a medium spin topspin and i chop with my bomb talent ox, you can't do another topspin without netting the ball. ;)


Sounds like you can get some serious backspin with that stuff.

My training partner often does this so I think this speaks to your challenge here. :)

Are you talking power loop? or soft loop? on that ball you think will go into the net? Because my training partner can soft loop (which is safe, high arching and very spiny) all day vs my LP chop blocks. I play close to the table. So I have to really work on trying to use soft hands and a pull back block a little to get a double bounce on the table. That usually messes him up.

Plus I also tell myself that if he's going to send the ball over that safely with that high arch, i have to run around that and attack. Can't let him get away with those easy loops.

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Yes, just learn to give those a little punch block and it will end those soft, high loops pretty quickly. I'm working on my touch with those, you need to catch them off the bounce with a closed blade and punch them down at the table. It doesn't have to be really hard to be very effective.

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