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ridderz65
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Ridderz, all of the rubbers Lorre posted will work and are the standards for best chopping rubbers. DefAttack gave you a perfect synopsis of the qualifiers that might affect your choice.

But one question: are you OX chopping or using sponge? For OX, DG is the best IMO for both passive and active play.

Also, for sponged chopping, cheaper alternatives are just as good: 388d (as mentioned), Neptune, cloud and fog 3, 755, etc. Just a matter of adjusting. Personally, with sponge, I am all about P-1R....been using it too long. Had I started with the cheaper alternatives I bet I'd be just as used to and effective with them, but with more money in the bank.


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Since the introduction of the new ball, I've read that Long pimples players are benefitting from pimples that have good control. For example ones that tend to keep you in the rally longer and are good at placement. It's said that placement and consistency are doing better than say reversal/disruption. People are looking for LP that give you that great placement and lots of consistency along with still good backspin on loops and are still fairly tricky to play against. I wondered if Easy P could be the answer. Or Hellfire. Just because these seem to be LP with good consistency.
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ridderz65 wrote:
Japsican wrote:
Ridderz, all of the rubbers Lorre posted will work and are the standards for best chopping rubbers. DefAttack gave you a perfect synopsis of the qualifiers that might affect your choice.

But one question: are you OX chopping or using sponge? For OX, DG is the best IMO for both passive and active play.

Also, for sponged chopping, cheaper alternatives are just as good: 388d (as mentioned), Neptune, cloud and fog 3, 755, etc. Just a matter of adjusting. Personally, with sponge, I am all about P-1R....been using it too long. Had I started with the cheaper alternatives I bet I'd be just as used to and effective with them, but with more money in the bank.


Japsican,
Since the introduction of the new ball, I've read that Long pimples players are benefitting from pimples that have good control. For example ones that tend to keep you in the rally longer and are good at placement. It's said that placement and consistency are doing better than say reversal/disruption. People are looking for LP that give you that great placement and lots of consistency along with still good backspin on loops and are still fairly tricky to play against. I wondered if Easy P could be the answer. Or Hellfire. Just because these seem to be LP with good consistency.


Since I use and sell EASY P. I won't say EASY P is the best one out there.

I agree that what let you put balls on the table low and often has advantage with plastic ball.
That's why I only gave you a short answer about spin reversal in our pm. You keep it low with plastic ball - they can't loop kill you. Keep it on the table more often and they will kill themselves.

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ridderz65 wrote:
Japsican wrote:
Ridderz, all of the rubbers Lorre posted will work and are the standards for best chopping rubbers. DefAttack gave you a perfect synopsis of the qualifiers that might affect your choice.

But one question: are you OX chopping or using sponge? For OX, DG is the best IMO for both passive and active play.

Also, for sponged chopping, cheaper alternatives are just as good: 388d (as mentioned), Neptune, cloud and fog 3, 755, etc. Just a matter of adjusting. Personally, with sponge, I am all about P-1R....been using it too long. Had I started with the cheaper alternatives I bet I'd be just as used to and effective with them, but with more money in the bank.


Japsican,
Since the introduction of the new ball, I've read that Long pimples players are benefitting from pimples that have good control. For example ones that tend to keep you in the rally longer and are good at placement. It's said that placement and consistency are doing better than say reversal/disruption. People are looking for LP that give you that great placement and lots of consistency along with still good backspin on loops and are still fairly tricky to play against. I wondered if Easy P could be the answer. Or Hellfire. Just because these seem to be LP with good consistency.


Since I use and sell EASY P. I won't say EASY P is the best one out there.

I agree that what let you put balls on the table low and often has advantage with plastic ball.
That's why I only gave you a short answer about spin reversal in our pm. You keep it low with plastic ball - they can't loop kill you. Keep it on the table more often and they will kill themselves.


So for consistency at getting the ball back often is Easy P one of the best out there? Or are there others that will be good?
P1-R will always be the best at chopping modern D though I think don't you?
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ridderz65 wrote:
P1-R will always be the best at chopping modern D though I think don't you?


OH NO. BIG NO.

At pro level yes. But me... now at 2 hrs per month of playing pong.
I'll pick EASY P over P1-r in a heart beat......don't even have to think.

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ridderz65 wrote:
P1-R will always be the best at chopping modern D though I think don't you?


OH NO. BIG NO.

At pro level yes. But me... now at 2 hrs per month of playing pong.
I'll pick EASY P over P1-r in a heart beat......don't even have to think.


I see. I'm playing about 6 hours a week at the moment. Using P1-R.
I'm just looking for ssomething that will trouble my opponent, is consistent at getting it back often and good control for easier placement. Easy P I will try. Bogey can you suggest anything else?
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Hello everyone! I know that the big boys like curl p1r and etc. Are the best lps that excel in chopping, but among the cheaper pips out there, what lps are the best? Think neptune, 388d/1, meteorite, etc.

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i will add up here for thisa question.

Which LP OX particularly excel at chopping??

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Hello everyone! I know that the big boys like curl p1r and etc. Are the best lps that excel in chopping, but among the cheaper pips out there, what lps are the best? Think neptune, 388d/1, meteorite, etc.

388d and 388d-1 are great
The GD Meteorite is soooo good, but a little bouncy to me on bumps.
Neptune was nice but a tad fast if I recall.

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garbol wrote:
i will add up here for thisa question.

Which LP OX particularly excel at chopping??

DG and Giant Dragon meteorite....without a doubt. 388d was nice too.

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Palio CK531a deserves a mention - I believe that's what Sun Jian Fei uses in OX. Very cheap :)

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How about in sponge ranging from 0.5 to 0.8? This is considering cheaper lps.

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Japsican wrote:
garbol wrote:
i will add up here for thisa question.

Which LP OX particularly excel at chopping??

DG and Giant Dragon meteorite....without a doubt. 388d was nice too.

388D has about 50% less backspin comparing to DG.

i have old sheet of meteorite, oka i will test it :)

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Palio CK531a deserves a mention - I believe that's what Sun Jian Fei uses in OX. Very cheap :)

yes i agree :)
but im still looking for something better :)
palio is hard to control vs no spin pushes

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50%? Are you sure it wasn't your opponent not feeding you enough spin? It behaved very close to DG vs the same opponent, heavy looper.

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garbol wrote:
Japsican wrote:
garbol wrote:
i will add up here for thisa question.

Which LP OX particularly excel at chopping??

DG and Giant Dragon meteorite....without a doubt. 388d was nice too.

388D has about 50% less backspin comparing to DG.

i have old sheet of meteorite, oka i will test it :)

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Palio CK531a deserves a mention - I believe that's what Sun Jian Fei uses in OX. Very cheap :)

yes i agree :)
but im still looking for something better :)
palio is hard to control vs no spin pushes


Quest for 'something better' is pretty much endless, so I guess you'll have to try(catch) them all :)...

The way I solved this problem (for myself) is by deciding that there is more to 'how well rubber/blade X chops' than just rubber itself - where you are relative to the table/ball, what ball you gave to your opponent on the previous shot, how your stroke looks etc. In other words, I can feel great in practice chopping loops on BH, but in a match I frequently find myself either pushing/blocking close to the table or unable to defend against the first attack because I did not drop back and/or gave my opponent an easy ball to attack. At that point your rubber does not really matter much, I think.

So, at least in my case, I need to fix this first, and then decide how to deal with the fact that Rubber X gets marginally more backspin than rubber Y according to forum reviews. May be after playing with Y for a month it is actually better for your game, after you adjusted to it, who knows...

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Quest for 'something better' is pretty much endless, so I guess you'll have to try(catch) them all :)...

The way I solved this problem (for myself) is by deciding that there is more to 'how well rubber/blade X chops' than just rubber itself - where you are relative to the table/ball, what ball you gave to your opponent on the previous shot, how your stroke looks etc. In other words, I can feel great in practice chopping loops on BH, but in a match I frequently find myself either pushing/blocking close to the table or unable to defend against the first attack because I did not drop back and/or gave my opponent an easy ball to attack. At that point your rubber does not really matter much, I think.

So, at least in my case, I need to fix this first, and then decide how to deal with the fact that Rubber X gets marginally more backspin than rubber Y according to forum reviews. May be after playing with Y for a month it is actually better for your game, after you adjusted to it, who knows...

that's why i collect answers and pick top3 or top5 best OX LP for chopping and test them

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