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What effects the reversal and deception of the long pips? Is ox or sponge better for these things?

For the best reversal IMHO u have to pick a long pips rubber which has the following requirements:

1. red (for chinese ones)
2. OX
3. medium hard/stiff pips
4. smooth surface of the pips (not the ribbed ones)

Well, regard the point 4, we all know the majority of the long pips has the ribbed surface, which increases the grip or ball contact. I think these ribbed ones are better suited with sponge underneath, for active play with spin variations.

In OX I suggest the smooth ones on a stiff and hard blade.

Now I'm using bomb talent ox red on a galaxy 980 (one of the stiffer and harder defensive blade that i know). The result is amazing, never had so much spin reversal on my passive strokes.

say whay?
i have red OX Bomb Talent and it has pure spin reversal..
dawei 388D1 has better reversal.
best reversal long pip are: palio ck531a and grass dtecs

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Butterfly Defence II / Victas Curl P1V 0.5mm / Tibhar Evolution MX-P 2.0mm -185g

For reversal/ effects with ox lp:Thin flexible under gummi(basesheet)
Soft flexible pips
Wide spacing with pips height as long as aspect ratio will allow
Smooth tops on pips
Glue down rather than gluesheet
The same pip will differ from blade to blade,biggest spin reversal I have seen was on a carbon blade at the expense of control and chopping ability

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Tsp Black Balsa 3.0 Tenergy 05 1.9 388d ox black

Well, I have dawei 388d-1 and 388d on 2 other blades.
The 388d-1 is grippier, has more friction, than bomb talent and 388d.
Palio ck531a is similar to bomb talent (smooth top and relatively hard/stiff pips) so the regular 388d.

yes i know...
and still dawei has more reversal than bomb talent

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Butterfly Defence II / Victas Curl P1V 0.5mm / Tibhar Evolution MX-P 2.0mm -185g

Sure, for you.
For me, the opposite.

Using OX - changing the blade will alter the playing characteristics due to different types of wood, speed etc.

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Panda Drive / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max / Play right-handed
XVT balsa carbon 10mm / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Globe 979 Long Pips OX / Play Left-handed shakehand
Stiga Def Wood / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH GD CC LP OX .. Play Left-handed
Cpen SOS Wood / 4H 729 802-40 2.0 / BH GD Talon use righthanded shakehand grip
HARDBAT / Shakehand Hock 3 ply / Friendship Dr Evil OX .. Play Right-handed

According to this article by Greg Letts:

the pimple tops and sides can be chosen according to personal taste. A rougher top and grippier sides will allow more spin variation but have slightly less control, while the 'glassy' smooth type long pimples will have better control and spin reversal, but less ability to vary the spin;
again, the flexibility of the pimples can vary depending on the desired result. A flexible pimples will allow better variation, while stiffer pimples should give more spin reversal.

You can read the article here http://www.gregsttpages.com/articles3/53-articles/long-pimples/112-which-long-pimples-should-you-use

In summary:

Dawei 388d-1 - grippy tops, flexible - allows to better spin variation
Bomb Talent - smooth top, stiffer - better spin reversal

Like I said.

And what about grass dtecs?
Which is said to have most spin reversal.
It has soft, big pimples with rough tops

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..and also the Talon which has that type of reputation.
I was a previous talon user and honestly I find it a great allround pips which excels in deception due to its big and spacely pips.
For deception I mean that weird path or zigzag bounces.
I never tried dtecs so I can't talk about it. But I guess it's not too different from the talon.
I find the bomb talent and 388d spin reversal better than the talon's one.
Talon has more "no-spin effects" or "disturbing paths" but these effects can't fool a smart and good opponent.
In ox I will definitively bet on spin reversal and go for smooth surfacing and stiff pips.
I think there's a reason if the old banned frictionless were smooth hard pips (I mean dr n superblock, hallmark original, superspecial) and they were the most spinreversal and nastiest things.

]I find the bomb talent and 388d spin reversal better than the talon's one

Hi Celestial boy this was true for me also ,I find the bomb talent and 388d spin reversal better than the talon's one with 388d better than bomb talent,also chopped better

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Tsp Black Balsa 3.0 Tenergy 05 1.9 388d ox black

not all... there are 2 different types of banned LP
some are pure spin reversal the same as u mentioned
but other type is those for with strange trajectory eg. tsp p1 bamboo, old grass dtecs (which has higher higher pips) and some hallmark
those bigger type OX LP can generete much more backspin vs topspin than normal OX LP.
in chopping bigger OX LP can generate almost the same backspin as 0.5mm LP sponge

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Butterfly Defence II / Victas Curl P1V 0.5mm / Tibhar Evolution MX-P 2.0mm -185g

Sorry friend ,I think stiff pips have more spin reversal than soft flexible pips.The reason is when you block topspin with flexible pips ,the pips bend and this kill spin reversal.