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Sauer and Tröger Schmerz
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Author:  Japsican [ 18 Jul 2017, 03:28 ]
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Ehimle wrote:
Okay. I posted the hat draw video on my Facebook and Instagram.

Croudy, I pulled your name. DM your info and I'll send it out next week.

Japsican, sorry, I do have an unopened 1.4 tsp millitall 2 in black, if you want, its all yours.

Traditional, I have a cut sheet (for my firestarter) of Rakza 7 in red, if you want, its all yours.

DM me!

Thanks everyone.


Ah very cool of you to offer, but I'll pass on the Millitall.

RE: Virginia, if you ever happen to be in this part of the world for holiday, hit me up and maybe we can hit at NOVTTC or somewhere local.
Author:  TraditionalTradesman [ 18 Jul 2017, 04:33 ]
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Will also pass on the Rakza, thanks.
Author:  Ehimle [ 05 Sep 2017, 02:40 ]
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This was just posted.

[youtube]http://youtu.be/6h4FSxEcm48[/youtube]

(appologies if the video doesn't post. I alway forget the magic formula).
Author:  mynamenotbob [ 05 Sep 2017, 03:00 ]
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Looks great in the video. Of course, just selective highlights. One always wonders what was edited out.
Author:  pgpg [ 05 Sep 2017, 03:56 ]
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Ehimle wrote:
This was just posted.



(appologies if the video doesn't post. I alway forget the magic formula).




Fixed link
Author:  haggisv [ 24 Sep 2017, 09:41 ]
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I wonder if anyone else has tried this rubber yet?
Author:  Rob M [ 24 Sep 2017, 11:47 ]
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Hi my name is Rob, I’m new to the forum but I thought I’d offer my thoughts on the new S&T LP Schmerz. For this review I used the NSD.

I mainly play an aggressive close to the table push-blocker style with some elements of modern defence.

I have decided to compare this to the other S&T LP Hellfire because many forum members are familiar with it, as well as DR N. All Round Premium (ARP) because it is directly relatable.

Schmerz has a horizontal orientation with medium/hard pips, which have a smooth surface.

Speed: Schmerz>ARP>Hellfire.

Control: Schmerz=ARP>Hellfire.

Deception: Hellfire>>Schmerz>ARP.

Spin Reversal: Hellfire>>Schmerz>ARP.

Passive reversal: Hellfire>>Schmerz>ARP.

Chop blocks: Hellfire>Schmerz>ARP.

Blocking: Schmerz>ARP>Hellfire.

Hitting/Attacking: Schmerz>ARP>Hellfire.


This is a fast LP that is orientated towards active play. Either active, aggressive pushing or blocking or hitting and attacking. When it comes to hitting this LP really shines. I found it very very easy to hit through my opponents back spin and no spin balls. I was able to do BH topspin rolls, flicks, pushes, swipes, drives and smashes well.

Due to the medium hard pips and excellent control this LP also excels at active blocking. It is easy to perform blocks across court and down the line with accurate placement. Active push/blocking often results in a skidding no spin ball.

There is reasonable deception/wobble/diving balls but not to the same degree of deception seen with Hellfire. Same with passive reversal and chopping. I would not recommend this LP if you primarily rely on heavily loaded chops against consistent loopers. There just isn't enough reversal. Similarly I wouldn't recommend this rubber if you rely on winning points through deceptive effects such as random deviation in flight path etc.

In summary this LP rewards active play. It is like an improved version of Dr N. All round Premium. Schmerz offers better deception, reversal and attacking options then ARP, while still being controllable.

Later I will also try to compare Schmerz to Viper if i have time.
Author:  haggisv [ 24 Sep 2017, 20:42 ]
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Fantastic review, thanks Rob M! :up: :up: :up:
Author:  maddrag [ 14 Oct 2017, 05:33 ]
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To clarify is anyone know the lenght of the pips. It is written is it medium hard pips than later it is an LP. So is it an LP or an MP ???

It looks that the new ball make the companies to do more MP for being able to counter, block, chop, drive, hit etc. I'm presently changing to Mp so I can also all the short PIPs can do as well as LP.
Author:  Rob M [ 14 Oct 2017, 06:24 ]
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It's definitely a Long Pimple Maddrag! But it's good at "counter, block, chop, drive, hit etc," for a long pimple anyway.
Author:  Croudy [ 17 Oct 2017, 21:46 ]
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We made a review of the Schmerz on a Butterfly Zhang Jike Super ZLC: https://youtu.be/9a7wrZrCbbI?t=2m50s
Author:  Ehimle [ 19 Oct 2017, 08:19 ]
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I don’t think Schmerz is fast at all. I think dornenglanz is fast. And talon less so. I would rank Schmerz as a touch slower. And it has a very low throw angle. Other wise I completely agree with the review above.

Croudy, isn’t the zjk paddle fast? How was the rubber on the fast paddle? Your thoughts?
Author:  Pushblocker [ 19 Oct 2017, 10:04 ]
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Der_Echte wrote:
Yes, the obligatory vids...




Saw Rammstein live in Tampa in 2012... Love their musical style..

I love their song "Ich Will"... great video too..
Author:  Pushblocker [ 20 Oct 2017, 03:32 ]
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The rubber itself does not look like anything that I would be interested in.. Hard rubber mix and pips that are close together with a thick bottom.. I like soft and wide spaced and thin bottom..
Author:  Bogeyhunter [ 25 Oct 2017, 12:03 ]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNcua_JURlU
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