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Hey Guys, im actually playing Spinlord Dornenglanz OX on a Stiga Offensive Classic Carbon.

I Chop and push at the table , especially when i serve with underspin and the other player just chops the ball , i push it very agressive with the pips.

I think the disturbing effect of the Dornenglanz is ok, but i hate the quality of the pips and i really want pips which have an other kind of disturbing effect. Balls should sink or have weird flight curves.

Which Long pips are best for this style of playing? Spin Reversal is not the most important for me.

Tibhar Dtecs without a doubt, and you'll get even more spin reversal as well, plus it's very durable. It's considerably harder to control though.

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Some other options:

Dr. Neubauer Viper
Giant Dragon Talon
Giant Dragon Snowflake
Joola Badman

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I played the Dtecs for a long time on NSD but i dont found it that disturbing and very hard to control.

My opponents said it got good reversal but flying very normal( not really falling down etc. ). When I played with Dornenglanz they said it was more disturbing for them. I dont understand why everyone is loving the Dtecs, maybe i should give it a second try.

I allready ordered a Talon, maybe that will work. I could not control the Snowflake, allready played it, dont know but it doesnt work at all.

Problem is that the more controllable the pips are for you, the less disturbing they generally are for your opponent. I found Dornenglanz to be easy enough to control but not at all dangerous due to being too stiff. I prefer softer pips precisely because they're much more disturbing. The Talon is a bit more controllable than the Snowflake, though I found both fine from a control standpoint.

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I think the trouble is that 'disturbing' is not a word that's clearly defined.

I think that especially in the lower grades, 'disturbing' has a lot to do with spin reversal, as the opponents don't fully understand spin reversal and what to do against it, and as a result balls bounce & curve in unexpected ways, which is obviously disturbing.

For me, it refers more to unpredictable changes on pace and spin, ie random effects, which I find to occur a lot more in the soft & springy long pimple, like the Dtecs and also the others that TraditionalTradesman mentioned.

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One of the old school LPs that is considered disturbing is Bomb Talent. Maybe give that a shot as it's inexpensive. No idea if it will work with the plastic ball or not.

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I think that with new balls pips with sponge are more disturbing overall. Or at least the balance have shifted to benefit sponged pips. I have tried few times JSH blade + dtecs ox - chopping was very secure, but overall not much disturbance effect in table play. Easy for opponents. The advantage of ox is certain "easiness" of play, where you can just put the blade in the way of the ball without doing anything.

Just take some steroids and eat food with high fat and oils.

You will have some disturbing "long pips" growing out of your back in no time.

I played the Dtecs New Edition a long time, but most players said the Dornenglanz was more Disturbing. Any other Ideas of pips?

I agree with you "Tingle95" I also use Dornenglanz OX & Dr N Viper both very deceptive

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When I played with pips - I switched to Dtecs for a while, from Hallmark Frustration. Dtecs had great reversal, but was much more difficult to control than the Frustration. Because the Dtecs reversal was so good, it became a negative - opponents knew that they were going to get extreme reversal. If I tried to play too aggressively with it, I lost control.

With Dornenglanz, I could chopblock, drive, roll the ball - so while less reversal, the opponent was less sure what I was going to do.

Playing against long pips - I would far rather play against Dtecs than Dornenglanz.

Playing this morning my opponent commented on how some of my return shots were wobbling all over the place.

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This is true. "Deception" is in the eye of the beholder...and in this case your opponent is the beholder. Everyone has a certain quality of ball that bothers them. For me it's no-spin or low spin. I hate it. With LPs or inverted.

For some people it's reversal (yes, even at the higher levels), For some people it's wobble. Others find pace change to be more bothersome than anything having to do with spin. Fast loops and a sudden change in speed is enough to bother these guys.

Further still, it's variation (intended variation or otherwise ). Same stroke, same spin received, but outputting different type of ball.

So, "deception" is all relative to your opponent(s), and what they dislike. Change clubs or travel to an out of state tourney and discover that what you thought was deceptive suddenly changes.

At my club, most of those guys have a harder time with grippier pips and variation. My friend John loves playing OX...any brand. Der Echte loves playing OX...any brand. I can't beat either of them but I can only take games off them with variation and grippier LPs. But against some players 200 points above them, they struggle with pushblocking with OX pips far more than p-1R 1.0mm. It's all relative to the opponent's experience with LPs, their level, my level playing that style, and what bothers them specifically.

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