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PostPosted: 19 Dec 2017, 22:03 
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Just wanna know your ideas on different LP's. I'm wondering why it's your faverouite LP and your thoughts on it, I don't have much awareness of all the differences in a lot of pips, so justvwant to expand my knowledge and options available. My faverouite (I don't have much experience) is TSP curl P4. I like it mainly due to the soft sponge and grip it has. It's very easily controlled and is deceptive. What about you?

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S/U 1-Blade:Joo Sae Hyuk ST FH: BTY T05FX MAX BH: TSP Curl P1r 1-1.3 mm
S/U 2 - Blade: BTY Gionis Carbon Def FH: DHS Tin Arc 5 BH: TSP Curl P4 1-1.3 mm


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"ModernDef", I have used many LPs starting with a sponge under the rubber but soon moving away from that to OX. 8) Initially using Tibhar Grass D.Tecs (a bit unpredictable) :sweat: then Dr N's Viper which is a good rubber with good spin reversal & control but finally moving on to Spinlord Dornenglanz which is outstanding with similar properties to the Viper but better :*: :up: So I now use the LP on my BH but definitely with OX (no sponge) :clap: :clap: :party:

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Setup 1: Blade: TSP Trinity Carbon | Joola Golden Tango black 1.8mm FH & Spinlord Dornenglanz OX red BH
Setup 2: Blade: TSP Trinity Carbon | Joola Golden Tango black 1.8mm FH & Jengking OX red BH
Setup 3: Blade: TSP Trinity Carbon | Victas V > 01 Limber black 1.8mm FH & Death Metal TT OX red BH
Setup 4: Blade: TSP Trinity Carbon |Spinlord Tanuka black 1.8mm FH & Spinlord Dornenglanz OX red BH

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PostPosted: 20 Dec 2017, 17:03 
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So many pips I have tried... But for safe and deadly chopping (and for learning chopping) Dawei 388D is outatanding, both in ox or with about 1,0 mm sponge depending on what you like. But for a more allround game where you need to generate som spin yourself I like Feint Long II with some sponge (never tried FL III). P-4 is good and safe but just a little too predictable. I have also used TSP Millitall II (MP) and that is also good.

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PostPosted: 21 Dec 2017, 08:43 
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Tried quite a few looking for LP’s that are slow, fairly insensitive to spin and good for blocking, aggressive pushing and a bit of chopping from further back. P3aR is my current choice. Not grippy so not ideal for chopping but very controllable nevertheless. Great for passive blocking and has some disruptive effects close to the table. I also like Neubauer No.1 for similar reasons. It has even slower softer pimples, easy to control with not quite as much deception over the table but a little better for chopping. Closer to an allround pimple I’d say.

Currently experimenting to see if I want to incorporate more mid-distance chopping in my game and occasionally trying some LP’s that are better suited for that (e.g. Agenda, Jayro).

I’ve been using LP’s for less than a year so still might be a while before I settle on a preferred style and LP to suit. Quite possible that I will keep a couple of different set ups.


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PostPosted: 21 Dec 2017, 08:46 
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My top 3 : Bomb Talent, Dawei388D and PalioCK531A. All in OX :D


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PostPosted: 26 Dec 2017, 22:39 
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Blade: Dr. Neubauer Firewall +
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BH: Dragon Talon NT OX
Best one by far is Giant Dragon Talon National Team, red ox
I also like regular Dragon Talon but not as good as the National Team versoin.
Another good one is Giant Dragon Snowflake which plays very similar to Talon
Of course, Tibhar Grass DTecS is also still good but since the spec change in 2011, ball comes off a little too high for my taste
Sauer&Troeger Hellfire plays pretty good but I noticed a huge difference between sheets.. One of them was very slow and the other one was medium fast.. The slow one was awesome but the faster one had little control.. Maybe I have to get another one to see if it's closer to the first or 2nd one that I tried..
Another good rubber is Spinlord Zeitgeist.. Based on my experience, the black version in ox plays better than red ox. Black seems to have lower throw than red, at least on my Neubauer Firewall Plus blade.

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PostPosted: 27 Dec 2017, 00:30 
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Blade: XVT Balsa Carbon 10mm all
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Globe 979 OX

Like it better than regular Talon and Crop Circles.

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XVT balsa carbon 10mm / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Globe 979 Long Pips OX / Play Left-handed shakehand
Stiga Def Wood / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH GD CC LP OX .. Play Left-handed
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PostPosted: 27 Dec 2017, 05:08 
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Globe 979 OX

Like it better than regular Talon and Crop Circles.


Globe 979 seems to be the lowest friction pip out of the box.. Not all sheets have that little friction but I had something like 20 sheets of them and some of them were pretty damn low in friction out of the box.. Overall, very good rubber too, just not in my top 3 but it would make my top 5..

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PostPosted: 27 Dec 2017, 07:26 
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Totally agree with PB and Loopover. Globe 979 OX is also a great long pips rubber. At no.4 on my list. ;)


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PostPosted: 27 Dec 2017, 09:00 
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LKT Strangers.

The easiest long pips to play ever. :)

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PostPosted: 27 Dec 2017, 10:23 
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Tough question because multiple variables are required for a responsible reply. Do you chop mid-distance or far or do you play like pushblocker? What type of blade are you using? Feel comfortable close to table or stages 2, 3? Age, mobility? What's your strong suit? weakest? Coach McAfee, limited in his mobility but with outstanding experience and reach, used Dr. N Titan with GD Cropcircles OX. Nevertheless, to prefer CC or not over Talon or Snowflakes by the same manufacturer would be tough without more info; to do so against such as Viper, P-1R, etc. is almost impossible without knowing what characteristics and playing style each of us brings. My contribution would go as follows: close to table player, aggressive attack with lp ox but, if placed on defense, will side swipe or chop block all day long against power loopers. Can chop mid-distance but rarely move there. Preference is for grippy lp, low throw that benefits from active stroke, on a combination blade (balsa core). In my, repeat my, experience (which is probably 1/1000 that of pushblocker) these preferences would go as follows: GD CC=P1-R>Mo Wang=Snowflake>Dornenglanz II>Pogo>755. Having stated this I will also say I find Pogo equal to CC in the attack but we're looking at overall playing characterstics, right? There are others but this will give you some dimensionality to the question.


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PostPosted: 27 Dec 2017, 22:00 
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Where can I get the National Team version of Talon? Is it available in the States?


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Tried so many :headbang:

P4: for creating your own spin and control.
FL2: slowest and control, control, control. More deceptive than P4.

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PostPosted: 28 Dec 2017, 02:58 
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Tough question because multiple variables are required for a responsible reply. Do you chop mid-distance or far or do you play like pushblocker? What type of blade are you using? Feel comfortable close to table or stages 2, 3? Age, mobility? What's your strong suit? weakest? Coach McAfee, limited in his mobility but with outstanding experience and reach, used Dr. N Titan with GD Cropcircles OX. Nevertheless, to prefer CC or not over Talon or Snowflakes by the same manufacturer would be tough without more info; to do so against such as Viper, P-1R, etc. is almost impossible without knowing what characteristics and playing style each of us brings. My contribution would go as follows: close to table player, aggressive attack with lp ox but, if placed on defense, will side swipe or chop block all day long against power loopers. Can chop mid-distance but rarely move there. Preference is for grippy lp, low throw that benefits from active stroke, on a combination blade (balsa core). In my, repeat my, experience (which is probably 1/1000 that of pushblocker) these preferences would go as follows: GD CC=P1-R>Mo Wang=Snowflake>Dornenglanz II>Pogo>755. Having stated this I will also say I find Pogo equal to CC in the attack but we're looking at overall playing characterstics, right? There are others but this will give you some dimensionality to the question.


Hi epictetus
So are you saying GD CC is your favourite long pimple rubber?

Mine to date is Sauer and Troger Hellfire ox.

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PostPosted: 28 Dec 2017, 03:15 
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