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PostPosted: 28 Dec 2017, 11:42 
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What is their rating, what brand and model do they use, what is their style ?

Pushblocker 2197 uses GD National Talon, close to table pushblocker, not much 4H offense, good spinny serves.

Anybody higher using GD Talon ?

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Jian Li is a 2700-level OX chopper.. he plays with C&F.


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Jian Li is a 2700-level OX chopper.. he plays with C&F.


That is DHS Cloud & Fog 3

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notfound123 wrote:
Jian Li is a 2700-level OX chopper.. he plays with C&F.


That is DHS Cloud & Fog 3


Yep, look him up, he's all over youtube


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Strongest LP blocker with OX (I believe he plays OX but I'm not 100% sure) is Zhi-Ming Li out of Michigan.. He is in the 2300's.. Right handed penhold player who serves with inverted and then twiddles to long pips and blocks and pushes everything.. He hardly ever attacks.. Right now, no player of similar style comes close to his rating.. As far as I know for non attacking pushblockers, I'm the 2nd highest rated one playing OX. There is one player who does not seem to be active as he has not played a tournament in almost 2 years.. It's Sakda Timsuwan.. He is in the 2200's but he is more of a looper who mixes in long pips blocks.
Most of the ox long pips players have dropped significantly in rating. Robert Shahnazari has dropped to the upper 2000's/low 2100's, John Mark Wetzler has dropped to mid 2100's and Shuja Jafar (my occasional doubles partner) has changed style (he is a chopper now instead of a blocker/hitter) and dropped to about 2180 or so but he still uses OX on his backhand..
All those players used to be over 2300 with the celluloid ball and all of them have dropped like a rock since the plastic ball..
Based on my knowledge, there is only one ACTIVE player over 2200 with OX long pips in the US.. I may be wrong but I can't think of anybody who remained over 2200..

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De-rong Chih, female, now 2486, high 2503,

BH Globe 979 OX , blocker puncher

https://youtu.be/j_2vf_P-raE

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De-rong Chih, female, now 2486, high 2503,

BH Globe 979 OX , blocker puncher

https://youtu.be/j_2vf_P-raE

She hasn't played a tournament in almost a year and a half... Not sure if she is still active.. Not a current USATT member... Her membership expired August 2016..

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Jian Li is a 2700-level OX chopper.. he plays with C&F.


IMO he's an absolute joy to watch, not the most emotional player but I thoroughly enjoy his game.

I had the opportunity to chat and hit with him briefly at the US Open, we hit for 15-20 minutes. His English isn't the best, but he gave me some pointers after he learned that I had only been using LP on my back hand for 2 months. Was a huge highlight of the trip for me.

Jian was using a Matsushita Pro blade with Cloud and Fog 3 OX on his backhand, and DHS H3 Prov on his forehand, looked like max or 2.1mm sponge.

Not so sure how well he performed at the US Open as of November, his USATT Rating was 2677. I could be off base with this statement; but I believe he is the highest ranked Attacking Chopper (?) using OX in the country.

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Riot207 wrote:
notfound123 wrote:
Jian Li is a 2700-level OX chopper.. he plays with C&F.


IMO he's an absolute joy to watch, not the most emotional player but I thoroughly enjoy his game.

I had the opportunity to chat and hit with him briefly at the US Open, we hit for 15-20 minutes. His English isn't the best, but he gave me some pointers after he learned that I had only been using LP on my back hand for 2 months. Was a huge highlight of the trip for me.

Jian was using a Matsushita Pro blade with Cloud and Fog 3 OX on his backhand, and DHS H3 Prov on his forehand, looked like max or 2.1mm sponge.

Not so sure how well he performed at the US Open as of November, his USATT Rating was 2677. I could be off base with this statement; but I believe he is the highest ranked Attacking Chopper (?) using OX in the country.


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Jiangshan Guo, now active 2465 , high 2505
she has beat 2600+ Kai Zhang
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BH long pips OX , blocker , don't know brand

https://www.ustream.tv/recorded/110843243

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Jiangshan Guo, now active 2465 , high 2505
she has beat 2600+ Kai Zhang
4H short pips
BH long pips OX , blocker , don't know brand

https://www.ustream.tv/recorded/110843243


I watched some of her matches.. She plays more a short pips style than a long pips style.. It may be long pips ox but that's more of a hitting/attacking game than blocking.. She hits a lot more than she blocks with the pips..
I watched the entire match against Ge Chi at the US Open.. Pretty impressive game.. The ball does not sound like OX, more like 0.5 or so when she hits with the pips but I may be wrong

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LOOPOVER wrote:
Jiangshan Guo, now active 2465 , high 2505
she has beat 2600+ Kai Zhang
4H short pips
BH long pips OX , blocker , don't know brand

https://www.ustream.tv/recorded/110843243


I watched some of her matches.. She plays more a short pips style than a long pips style.. It may be long pips ox but that's more of a hitting/attacking game than blocking.. She hits a lot more than she blocks with the pips..
I watched the entire match against Ge Chi at the US Open.. Pretty impressive game.. The ball does not sound like OX, more like 0.5 or so when she hits with the pips but I may be wrong


OP's question was about OX, style be damned, so she qualifies (and so would a Hardbat player, but then OP posted in Long Pips section, so not sure...) :).

If we were to expand USA definition to Canada (yeah, I know...), then it will also give us Sun Jian Fei to consider, although he definitely been away from tournaments lately.

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=12740

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Pushblocker wrote:
LOOPOVER wrote:
Jiangshan Guo, now active 2465 , high 2505
she has beat 2600+ Kai Zhang
4H short pips
BH long pips OX , blocker , don't know brand

https://www.ustream.tv/recorded/110843243


I watched some of her matches.. She plays more a short pips style than a long pips style.. It may be long pips ox but that's more of a hitting/attacking game than blocking.. She hits a lot more than she blocks with the pips..
I watched the entire match against Ge Chi at the US Open.. Pretty impressive game.. The ball does not sound like OX, more like 0.5 or so when she hits with the pips but I may be wrong


OP's question was about OX, style be damned, so she qualifies (and so would a Hardbat player, but then OP posted in Long Pips section, so not sure...) :).

If we were to expand USA definition to Canada (yeah, I know...), then it will also give us Sun Jian Fei to consider, although he definitely been away from tournaments lately.

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=12740


I'm not convinced that it's ox.. Some of the hits that she does with it would be very difficult to accomplish without sponge but again, I may be wrong.. I send a message to a long pips using friend who follows lots of long pips players. He was at the US Open and I asked him if he knows her and if she knows what she is using.. Would be interesting to know..

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I'm not convinced that it's ox.. Some of the hits that she does with it would be very difficult to accomplish without sponge but again, I may be wrong.. I send a message to a long pips using friend who follows lots of long pips players. He was at the US Open and I asked him if he knows her and if she knows what she is using.. Would be interesting to know..


Right, of course, this makes sense. Interestingly enough, IIRC there was a 2-page discussion in Jian Li's thread at some point on whether he uses OX or not (he does), based purely on sound, ball trajectory, shots he makes etc., so it's not a trivial task to figure out purely from video. I suspect blade is also important for some of these factors, especially sound.

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I'm not convinced that it's ox.. Some of the hits that she does with it would be very difficult to accomplish without sponge but again, I may be wrong.. I send a message to a long pips using friend who follows lots of long pips players. He was at the US Open and I asked him if he knows her and if she knows what she is using.. Would be interesting to know..


Right, of course, this makes sense. Interestingly enough, IIRC there was a 2-page discussion in Jian Li's thread at some point on whether he uses OX or not (he does), based purely on sound, ball trajectory, shots he makes etc., so it's not a trivial task to figure out purely from video. I suspect blade is also important for some of these factors, especially sound.

Like I said.. I have no idea if it is ox or not. In the big picture, it is really irrelevant. Awesome skills no matter if it is OX or sponged..

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