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it looks something like this
http://pic.chinatt.com/dv_uploadfile/20 ... 365651.jpg
http://pic.chinatt.com/dv_uploadfile/20 ... 345828.jpg
logo brand is more widly on bot of rubber
colour is light red (not transparent like any normal Dawei 388D-1)
i know a players plays with it in our super league and 90% have problems with this pip (very strange effect)

does anybody knows what this pip is called and how to buy it?

vidoes of that player




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He's a really good player... I don't think it's rubber that's making him so effective.

If the rubber is different to the one shown in the ITTF website then it would not be legal:


It may simply be poor quality control that makes it look a little different from the regular version.

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If you put a rubber in a certain oil for a while, it will look like that.. rubber becomes larger and pips larger and softer. Speed increases...

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Dawei has at least two official 388D-1 topsheet compound types, normal and quattro which is softer. I've also seen a "provincial" edition in china which is also supposedly soft-ish.

I took quick look at that vid and the guys takes the ball very early off the bounce. This give everyone not used to playing LP problems, esp with a decent reversal pip design (softer but not gummy, more spaced).

Those are also very popular in china. One review for the prov version said they give a bit of the large pip effect, but not quite.

I've seen the photos for quite a few enlarged sheets, and they don't really turn opaque as the OP seems to say.

388d-1 quality control esp for their cheaper products is also all over so it's possible that guy just got a batch he particularly likes.

Image on ITTF:



Reposted to make it easier to compare images.

ttnpp sells enlarged pips rubber, I have a few sheets (including JJ Huang branded ones) but have yet to try them.

Iskandar

Colour and looks can differ quite a bit between two sheets of chineese pips. That does not mean it is anything special about it. Very interesting style though. Does he use a sponge? He needs a thread of his own in pips vidz section

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its OX, as far as i know he dont tread his pips. i heard he is buying it normally. but cant find it where from

yes i had those special large dawei from ttnpp and there arent the same as this guy is using
well definetly his pips are illegal i saw them in real and comparing with my standard 8$ Dawei 388D-1
our judges dont know much abt pips (they check only brand, type and ITTF logo)
on his pips there is Dawei 388D-1 with ITTF logo (name is the same)
but everthing rest is different
pips: wide and space between them more widely
rubber: normal sheet is transparent (u can see blade underneath), his isnt transparent
he was like 3 league lower player without this pip
(yesterday he almost win vs 200 ITTF ranking guy)

what i can see from his matches and from videos
this pip gives a lot of reversal + it can easly play short balls
even on harder loops like 70% power u can chop block near the net
(he doest do chop block even, just holding bat..)


ps.
hello everyone
yes im new here but im reading topic/posts for a while. i read a lot so finally i decided to sign in

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Well it's easy to see if they're enlarged by how much space the logo area takes up. I don't have my sheet anymore to compare but did find this img:



At least to me his sheet looks bigger so it's probably been enlarged, but not too much.

To get an idea of what enlarged looks like:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a23 ... t=3#detail

There's a shot of a red sheet there.

Just guessing it's probably not the biggest 2.5mm size but more like 2.0-2.2mm or so. IMO not that huge of a deal, but not out of the package either.

as i said i had enlarged 2.2mm and it wasnt looking and behave like those other
btw. those enlarged last 2 weeks and effect isnt much better

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At the very least it's clearly larger. If you have not much better to do you can also count number of pips across the blade to verify.

It's possible he's using else to enlarge which turns it opaque as pushblocker mentioned.

Maybe he's using UV on them as well as expanding them? (There's a lot of talk about using UV on pips in the Experimental section of the forum.)

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I disagree - he's clearly better than the first guy he beat, and is somewhat better than the second guy, pips or no pips. He's got a serve good enough to win points outright. And he does miss quite a few shots off the pips in the second game, it helps him but it also causes him some trouble, especially in the beginning. The pips does give the first guy fits, the second guy seems to handle them a lot better.

That umpire in the first game seems to have an unlimited supply of balls...

Iskandar

Or, he gets it from ttnpp
http://ttnpp.com/store/dawei/451-dawei-388d-1-special-large-pips-long-pimple-0x-no-sponge-6.html

I am sure either he treats his pips (armorall / bb oil + UV ) or he gets one treated. Actually, big pips alone cannot have such effect

I've been wondering about the ArmorAll. Wouldn't that transfer onto the ball and then transfer onto the other guy's bat? He'd end up with a slick spot in the middle of his Tenergy.

Some images from the earlier links:






Iskandar

that is one "ugly" play style. 90% of his hits are with the pips. i guess this is the reason why pip players are not liked that much
just sit and block, sit and block...