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Author: | NiTTaKu [ 08 Jul 2008, 04:01 ] |
Post subject: | What LP can I choose? -> LP List |
I know that LP's are as versatile as the player wants them to be, but seeing that nobody has done this, I'll be doing a LP list showing what's each LP purpose, please contribute with the ones you know about and remember we're talking about Long Pips, not medium nor short ones. Defensive pips: High Level -> TSP Curl P1-R, BTY Feint II, Saviga V. Good Control -> Friendship 837, Dawei 388-D1, Feint Soft, Meteor 8512. Attack pips: TSP Curl P2, P3 / P3 alpha, Armstrong Twister, JUIC Leggy Attack, Yasaka Phantom series, BTY Feint AG, Hallmark Frustration, Kokutaku 911. I propose writting down all LP's listed on the ITTF website and noting all the thoughts about them, I'll be taking all reviews from the forum for this and you can also contribute here but I'm not writting down the "proposed for ban" coverings. If any info is wrong, just tell me and I'll correct it 'cause my info source could be wrong (we're humans ). LICENSE: Code: All reviews are property of his respective author, this post is licensed under Creative commons BY-NC-SA, which means you can use, link, distribute or modify my work Under the following conditions:
- Attribution. You must attribute this work to Francisco García (AKA NiTTaKu) AND One of a Kind Forums. - Noncommercial. You may not use this work for commercial purposes. - Share Alike. If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one. License URL: ----------> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AMSIR Flutter: Sensation: Surprise: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ANDRO LP-22: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARMSTRONG Twister: Caracteristics : Pimples height/width : ~1.6mm/1.5mm Vertical aligned, space between 2 pimples (vertically/horizontally : ~1.3mm/3.1mm). Test From: Derf59 Blade: Darker 7P-2A.DF Sponge: OX Grippy & very flexible LP like Tibhar Grass D.Tecs but slower and with more control. Suited for near the table attack, easy to hit more than one time. It doesn't take too much effect against services. Not bad for a defensive game but I don't think it's the better way to use it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AVALOX Mo: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BUTTERFLY Feint AG: Feint Long II: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.5mm. Saw-like surfaced, 5 to 7 Test From: NiTTaKu Blade: BTY Matsushita Pro Model Sponge: 1.1mm A classic between LPs, I would say this one's an allrounder. You can do almost everything with it, not too sensitive to incoming spin, good reversal and a lil' difficult to adapt the attacking stroke. To me, It's pretty similar to Saviga V. Feint Long III: Pimples height/width : 1.7mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.2mm. Saw-like surfaced, 14 to 15 Test From: NiTTaKu Blade: Nittaku Fine Touch Carbon Sponge: 1.1mm It's a really spinny LP on top of a soft Jap sponge (softer than chinese). Good control on all strokes but little reversal compared to Feint II. Feint Soft: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.3mm. Crater-like surfaced, 8 to 9 Test From: Jasper Blade: Three Ball Allplayer (Similar to BTY Grubba ALL) Sponge: 0.6mm Classic LP for classic defense, reviewer uses it for active attack near the table and other forum members also do it (tatlwai). It's a grippy soft pip that needs active strokes for an effective game, as this LP have low spin reversal. Link: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... .php?t=621 Feint OX: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CHAMPION Flash: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAWEI 388D: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.2mm. Smooth surfaced 388D1: Test From: haggisv Blade: Joola Cat Sponge: 0.5mm A true allround LP rubber, excellent control for defense and good for lifting chops near the table, good reversal but nothing spectacular, slower and less spinny than Saviga V. Link: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... .php?t=139 Saviga V: Test From: haggisv Blade: Yasaka Balsa plus Sponge: ¿? Pretty similar to 388D1, but more capable at generating spin on it's own, good control rubber but reacts to spin. Easy to lift chops with it but hard to attack high no spin balls, requires precision on bat angles and hitting power. Link: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... .php?t=104 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DONIC Alligator DEF: Akkadi L1: Akkadi L2: Piranja FD Tec: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOUBLE FISH 1615: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.8mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1mm. Crater-like surfaced, 14 to 16 Test From: NiTTaKu Blade: Nittaku Fine Touch Carbon Sponge: 0.6mm This one got me hooked on the end of the 2007/2008 season, as this pip plays very close to Feint I in terms of pip structure, but unfortunately construction quality isn't even near from the BTY. Generally speaking, this one is another allrounder with more reversal than average LPs and a very good dose of control, playing passive strokes gives you low floaters and weird balls depending on the incoming effect and active fast strokes gives you a high spin level thanks to this pips flex. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DHS C8: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.3mm. Crater-like surfaced, 9 to 11 Test From: NiTTaKu Blade: BTY Matsushita Pro Model Sponge: 1mm Classic chinese LP with lots of control and possibilities depending on your skills. Low reversal on passive strokes, needs active play. Good for controlled attacks. Cloud & Fog II: Cloud & Fog III: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR. NEUBAUER Monster Classic: Boomerang Classic: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FRIENDSHIP 755-2: 755: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.6mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.3mm. Smooth surfaced 837: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.3mm. Crater-like surfaced, 4 to 6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GKI Nano Sting: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GLOBE 979: Pimples height/width : 1.6mm/1.5mm Vertical aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.2mm. Crater-like surfaced, 12 to 14 Test From: RebornTTEvnglist Blade: Galaxy K-3, T-2 & DHS Hurricane King Sponge: 0.7mm Stiff pips tubular shaped with decent reversal and good chop and attack possibilities. Red plays better. Black seemed to play more like a mid-pip than the red. Sensitivity to spin is slight to medium. Black seemed more able to create its own spin. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HALLMARK Friction Super Special: Phoenix: Friction Special 2: Frustration: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1mm. Pyramid-like surfaced, 23 to 25 Test From: Mathias Blade: ¿? Sponge: 1.5mm Attacking pip, excels at punch blocks. Link: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... c.php?t=94 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPTEC DL-01: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JOOLA Badman: Tensor LP from Joola Octopus: Seems to be a P1-R clone so Chen Weixing can play with it, as he's sponsored by Joola. Some people claim it has harder pips. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JUIC Leggy: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.5mm Vertical aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.3mm. Smooth surfaced Test From: Mathias Blade: Septear Sponge: OX Link: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... c.php?t=70 Test From: haggisv Blade: Energy wood WRB Sponge: 1mm Sticky smooth surfaced pip, used for spin manipulation. Link: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... c.php?t=70 Resume: Sticky smooth surfaced pip, fast, good for handling no-spin balls and push rallies with fast chop & sidespin strokes. Used for spin manipulation. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KOKUTAKU 911: Test From: haggisv Blade: ¿? Sponge: OX Smooth surfaced hard pip, not too much reversal. Excels at attacking short-pip style. Link: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... .php?t=186 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- METEOR 8512: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.5mm. Smooth surfaced (Kees states rough surfaced pips, but all 8512 sheet I've got were smooth, both versions attack and defensive) Test From: Kees Blade: Tibhar CO-S-3 Sponge: 0.5mm It's a classic chinese LP for classic defense play, good control, low reversal, pretty insensitive to incoming spin. Link: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... .php?t=376 9012: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MILKY WAY 955: Pimples height/width : 1.6mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.3mm. Pyramid-like surfaced, 6 to 8 Seems very similar to Neptune. Neptune: Test From: LawOCG Blade: Stiga Allround CR Sponge: 1mm Neptune is a excellent allround Long pip. It has a nice solid feel to it. Its nether springy or dead, in my opinion just right. For those of you out there who are looking for a long pip that can do it all, the Neptune is it. For those who play on the extremes and use pips like Dr Neubauer...look elsewhere. Slightly sensitive to spin. Link: http://oneofakindtrading.com.au/forum/v ... .php?t=623 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NITTAKU Moristo LP / One: Screw / One: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.3mm. Smooth surfaced Test From: hookshot Blade: ¿? Sponge: ¿? Link: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... .php?t=295 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PALIO CK531A: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.3mm. Smooth surfaced Test From: mynamenotbob Blade: Toni Hold White Spot Sponge: OX Seems to be a good replacement for frictionless LP, with a low learnig curve. Good for hitting and blocking and has good control. A little bit of spin-reversal against topspin, but not enough to rely on as a weapon. Could hit drop shots although I didn't try too many of these. Pretty good for attacking underspin, too. Right in the game along with Insider, SavigaV and Neptune. Link: http://oneofakindtrading.com.au/forum/v ... 5523#35523 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRASIDHA 1615: See Double Fish 1615, seems to be this rubber but with less quality control. Long A: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STIGA Destroyer: Seems to be a clone from DHS C8 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TIBHAR Grass Flex: Grass Ultra: Extra Long: Grass: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.5mm. Crater-like surfaced, 8 to 9 Grass D.Tecs: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TSP Curl P1-R: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.3mm. Pyramid-like surfaced, 16 to 18 Test From: LawOCG Blade: ¿? Sponge: ¿? Link: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... .php?t=206 Resume: A quality allround to DEF LP used for spin variation game, not for beginners as this one reacts to incoming spin, it's very sensible to bat angles, good for sidespin chops, requires good positioning and active play Curl P2: Pimples height/width : 1.5mm/2mm Vertical aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.3mm. Crater-like surface, 25 to 27 Test From: haggisv Blade: ¿? Sponge: ¿? Link: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... .php?t=216 Resume: It's an attacking LP, lots of control on blocks, plays like SP's on hits. Low spin reversal. Curl P3: Curl P3-Alpha: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TTMASTER Fireproof: Insider: Swing Back IF: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- XIOM Guillotine-S: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- XIYING 979: See Globe 979 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- XUSHAOFA 989 Yang: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YASAKA Pantom 007: Phantom 008: Phantom 009: Horizontal aligned Smooth and tacky surfaced Test From: LawOCG Blade: ¿? Sponge: ¿? Tacky LP attack oriented, with low reversal but capable of generating it's own spin like an inverted can do. Excellent control on all shots, hits like a SP, chops need arm speed to impart high spin to the ball, not for passive users. Link: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... .php?t=175 Phantom 0011/0012 infinity: Pimples height/width : 1.8mm/1.5mm Horizontal aligned, space between 2 pimples: 1.3mm. Crater-like surface, 9 to 11 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Author: | NiTTaKu [ 08 Jul 2008, 04:03 ] |
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RESERVED FOR FUTURE AMPLIATION |
Author: | Mathias [ 11 Jul 2008, 16:33 ] |
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Am I allowed to post here? Tis a grand plan. |
Author: | haggisv [ 11 Jul 2008, 18:41 ] |
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Yes a great project idea... I've only just noticed it... |
Author: | NiTTaKu [ 11 Jul 2008, 21:07 ] |
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haggisv I've noticed your post recopilation at archives section but I thought it's a lil' bit hidden, so as ppl always ask in this section maybe it's more useful here, don't you think? I'll paste all the review links in each corresponding LP. I've got some technical info about pips width, height and separation between pips, I'll also try to add this info to the post Quote: Am I allowed to post here?
Tis a grand plan. Sure, Everyone can post here his impressions about certain pip and I'll add it to each one in the initial post to keep it visible. |
Author: | Derf59 [ 12 Jul 2008, 00:06 ] |
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I've tried this week, the Armstrong Twister (Ox) on a Darker 7P-2A DF. Caracteristics : Pimples height/width : ~1.6mm/1.5mm They are vertically aligned (not like most of others LPs), space between 2 pimples (vertically/horizontally : ~1.3mm/3.1mm) It's a grippy LP (head of pimples like 837), the pimples are very flexible like Tibhar Grass D Tecs. It's a awesome pimple for people who like to attack at the table. It easy to hit more than one times and provides floating balls which are difficult for your opponent. It's doesn't take too much effect against services. Not bad for a defensive game but I don't think it's the better way to use it. Conclusion : I think it's a good pimple for people who likes Tibhar Grass D Tecs but think this one is too fast and with lack of control. Armstrong Twister is slower and with more control. |
Author: | Jasper [ 12 Jul 2008, 03:07 ] |
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there is a big load of information on LP on the PIPS-website http://www.pipfacts.info/ in the reviews section Not really getting some of your specs: crater-like surface, 8 to 9 What's this supposed to mean? |
Author: | haggisv [ 12 Jul 2008, 18:47 ] |
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Wow you're doing a great job NiTTaKu! I have stickied the thread, hopefully people can still find it |
Author: | RebornTTEvnglist [ 14 Jul 2008, 00:22 ] |
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I just found it...because its sticky LOL. And I agree, great job Nittaku. I can add some commentary on Neptune, 979 and C8, but all but the 979 seem to have a bit already. I'd put up C7 as well, but they are more of a mid-pips (although they look long to me LOL). On the 979, I'd say stiff pips tubular shaped with decent reversal and good chop and attack possibilities. Have used them on T2, K3 and HK primarily. I'd say played best on the T2. I used with a 0.7 sponge only. Have used black and red, red plays better IMO. Black seemed to play more like a mid-pip than the red. Sensitivity to spin is slight to medium. Black seemed more able to create its own spin. On the Neptune, I would add sensitivity to spin is slight. Congrats on putting this list together. I will be returning to it often to see how it grows. As a suggestion, it might be worthwhile putting a price range on the rubbers as just an indicator for people as to whether its worthwhile hunting it down. In AUD would be the go with this being an Aussie site. Maybe have brackets like <$10, $10-$20, $20-30 and so on. What do you think? Perhaps even a best/cheapest place to buy suggestion maybe with URL? |
Author: | tatlwai [ 14 Jul 2008, 00:36 ] |
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NiTTaku, great job here. Actually, I have noticed this thread when you first post it but I haven't done anything, sorry about that. Since I am the only one who uses Prasidha Long A the most (other than NotBob, ReBorn and now Monkey), I should post my findings on Long A , which I will but I have to do some research first. In time, I will put in my input on Long A, just be patient. Tat |
Author: | NiTTaKu [ 14 Jul 2008, 01:12 ] |
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RebornTTEvnglist wrote: As a suggestion, it might be worthwhile putting a price range on the rubbers as just an indicator for people as to whether its worthwhile hunting it down. In AUD would be the go with this being an Aussie site. Maybe have brackets like <$10, $10-$20, $20-30 and so on. What do you think? Perhaps even a best/cheapest place to buy suggestion maybe with URL? Will be a lil' difficult for me, as I'm european, If any of the aussie users want to use this post as a base for another one with price estimation, he has my full agreement. About C7, if you want to add a review I'll add it as I also have the pips data with me. tatlwai wrote: I should post my findings on Long A , which I will but I have to do some research first. In time, I will put in my input on Long A, just be patient.
Don't worry tat, we have all the time in the world I'll navigate a lil' more in the forum searching for info about each rubber, as there is so much info scattered through posts but just tiny bits, so this will take some time. Now that I have some spare time, I can do it I felt like I needed to give back something to this community |
Author: | hookshot [ 14 Jul 2008, 02:17 ] |
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Hi tatlwai, We need the price for one sheet, not the huge quantities you buy. LOL |
Author: | tatlwai [ 14 Jul 2008, 02:42 ] |
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hookshot wrote: Hi tatlwai,
We need the price for one sheet, not the huge quantities you buy. LOL I have always made that kind of mistake, too hurry to do things, however, it is not all bad, I did make a super quick decision to marry my wife and have never regretted. |
Author: | hookshot [ 14 Jul 2008, 02:50 ] |
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Hi tatlwai, That is the best deal in the world! |
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