I have been in this sport close to 50 years as a player relatively close to high level, as a super successful league creator & admin, as well as a coach & founder of a table tennis center who ran state championships & other tournaments. And table tennis is sort of like my fourth sport (after hockey, basketball & tennis) from my youth I did not even start playing seriously till my second post graduate college degree.
So I would say I have seen a lot of things transpire & my comments are based on my such experience.
Diegox wrote:
Hello,
Well for me that matters, if not long pips player could also say to ban inverted rubbers because the make spin.
Sorry no. Because spinverted rubber is usually a primary or strongside rubber in table tennis. Unless a player uses long pips both sides which is a ridiculous choice
Diegox wrote:
Do you know when frictionless long pips arrived ? But I hope you at least know by now that they were banned in 2008
I know that they were banned because the where unpredictable
Sorry No . They were banned for political reasons.
I won’t get into it here
Diegox wrote:
but this is not happening with long pips now.
That is exactly my point.
Long pips on ITTF LARC are a joke & that is how ITTF wants it. The looper controlled ITTF also knows short pips & anti are a joke as weakside rubbers but keeps promoting it with disinformation campaigns so that players won’t use even long pips on LARC, let alone the ONLY truly functional weakside rubbers, which are the super pips.
But as I have said many times, pips & anti players get brainwashed by ITTF and seriously think anti or long pips on ITTF LARC or short pips on weakside can be truly functional & useful in the 40+ plastic ball ONLY era. But they are nothing more than social rubbers. The one & only truly functionally useful rubber in the 40+ plastic ball ONLY era are super pips but most players don’t even know about them & ITTF would love to keep it that way.
Diegox wrote:
I didn’t say that most of them, I said that I met people that like it, maybe I was lucky, but with out statistics still not a fact. Actually this argument as 100 of discussions, come on not all player in the world are on forums. And all over the wold is so pretentious, go to Indonesia an look how many people play with long pips. Then if there is no numbers, everything is speculation, from you side and from mine.
Ok you keep believing all is beautiful & no corruption in table tennis or in ITTF.
And based on my 50 years of experience Iknow the truth.
Diegox wrote:
amet76 wrote:
Sorry no.
They very much care about public perception that they love diversity & inclusion of all playing styles
Again, where is this written or said, I would like to read or see those proves, if not, again, speculation.
Huh ?
So you claim that ITTF does not claim have a policy of diversity and inclusion of all playing styles ? REALLY ? OK
Failure to at least have a fake policy of diversity (of all playing styles) would be a violation of Olympic ideals & IOC could expel table tennis from Olympics.
Diegox wrote:
Amet76 wrote:
Ok let us assume this is true. Are you saying that anti is as effective as even long pips (let alone super pips) in the 40+ plastic ball ONLY era ? REALLY ? So what you are saying is that the looper controlled ITTF knows what is good for pips players & cares about what is good for the sport ? OK
For me both are different rubbers and both are effective, go to see good level matches in Germany one against the other. For me both are fantastic and can be used.
As I see it , the discussion was about which rubber type is the most effective ? As I see it anti is a joke in the 40+ plastic ball only era even the so called magical frictionless anti. Just playing with any rubber just enjoyment or emotional attachment or one believes that they can be as good as a pro simply using the same rubber type, does not qualify as the most effective
But if you understand why ITTF banned frictionless LPs but not Frictionless Antis , you will understand which is the most effective . ITTF does not want pips (I know that for a fact mostly for political reason & I won’t get into that here & write a book) But as I have said before they also cannot ban (long) pips for political reasons. I know the truth but if you & others want to live in a fantasy world believing that looper controlled ITTF knows how to make rules for pips &anti players, by all means enjoy whatever
Diegox wrote:
Again, I never said this about this ITTF loopers controlling anything. Actually this kind of comment allows people to say the thing mentioned about you in previos interventions. I don’t care and as I say I don’t think they care ether.
I never said you said that. I am definitively saying that all the councils & committees of the ITTF & similar groups in the ITTF’s national associates are controlled by majority former glue & booster sucking loopers. I am not saying 100% are them but would be like at least 75% if not more
Diegox wrote:
amet76 wrote:
By the way I also asked in my other post as to why ITTF has banned FLPs in 2008 but has not banned FLantis.
I will wait for your answer first
I think because they are different. FLPs are unpredictable, again FLantis are predictable, just neutralising spin
That is EXACTLY my point. The looper controlled ITTF does not want players to use what is most effective as weakside rubbers. This is why the looper controlled ITTF had passed 9 rules & regulations since 1983 to limit pips. The looper controlled ITTF wants players to use what is the least nuisance for them (illegally boosted up loopers) which are the antis & weakside short pips. They know anti & weakside short pips are the least effective & that is exactly why they want players to use them. They would rather have player not use even the useless long pips on ITTF LARC let alone the truly functional super pips. This is why the looper controlled ITTF keeps coming up with new rules again & again against pips. Also as I said they would love to ban all pips but they cannot , due to political reason which I have explained many times in the past few days & 100s of times over the years.
BTW there is also more politics as to why ITTF does not want pips but accepts anti. That is another story but I won't get into that here.
But I will say that it is a German story. Ask around in Germany.
Also BTW, it is not about unpredictability. Frictionless pips are a bigger nuisance for loopers than anti (& weakside short pips) . And of course the usual lame excuse that billions of youth have left teh sport because of frictionless long pips. There is also lot more to this story & I have discussed them in forums many times before & I am not going to do it again
Thanks for all you answers and for taking the time to explain your bad experience with the organisation. I think you expose your point, I expose mine. It is not needed an agreement. When people will read, they will get their own conclusion based on arguments.
I Wish you the best in this beautiful sport.