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I've found that the bounce test is a pretty good indicator of the speed of a long pimple rubber in OX. After trying quite a few, so far the results have been consistant with my feel of the speed of the rubber in real play.

The bounce test is simple a test where you put Long pimple 2 rubber (in OX, sponge changes everything) next to each other, bounce a ball on each one of them from a few different heights, and determine which one produces the higher bounce.

So I'd like to compile a list of all LP rubbers, ordered in term of speed. We can all help here, as the test is pretty easy to do. All you need is 2 different rubbers (in OX) and compare the 2, and post the results here. Everytime we get 2 more results, we can update the list and order accordingly. Eventually we should come up with a pretty good list.

So just as an example, just post:

Speed:
neptune (red) > Meteor 8512 (red)

OK, below is the list, and I'll keep it updated as more information is provided. Some are obvious guesses, but as more information is posted, errors and positions can be corrected.

List (slowest to fastest)

Short pips
Gambler Peacekeeper (red)
RITC Dr Evil (black)

Long Pips
TSP P-H
Se7en Block OX
TTMaster Punte
Phantom 007
Double Fish Meteor 8512 (red)
Hallmark Frustration (red)
TSP P-1R
Kokutaku 911
Double Fish 1615 (red)
Dawei Saviga V (red)
Milky WayNeptune (red)
Milky Way Neptune (black)
Palio CK531A (red)
388D-1 (red)
Milky Way 955 (black)
JUIC Leggy (red)
Giant Dragon Meteorite (red)
Kokutaku 911 (sponge removed, not OX)

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Don't forget to specify the surface you're putting the LP on.
It'll bounce differently off, say, a marble kitchen bench compared to a vinyl covered desk.

I suggest you standardise a surface or something.

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Chasse Patate

I suppose the key word when doing this test is to do it "in ox" and not sponged pimple.

I got a few sheets at home that havent been glued up to a blade.
You think without glueing it on a blade I can test it out, just by laying out the ox sheet on a flat surface and compare the bounce at various heights.

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I agree, need a standard surface to put the blade on. Also, we should all use the same height for the drops. One foot,,,3 feet,,,50 feet?

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No I don't think so... all we're doing is comparing one rubber to another... I would 'guess' that if one rubber is slower than another, it will be slower on all surfaces... So all you need to ensure is that both are on the same surface...

I would also guess that if it's slower form one height, it will be slower form all heights... i have yet to find a case where this is not true... It can be easier to judge the bounce of the ball from a higher starting point...

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I think haggisv is simply trying to assemble relative comparisons made under the same conditions; not necessarily trying to get us all to use the same conditions.

Here are the loose OX sheets I have that aren't encumbered by a glue sheet, in order of least bouncy to most bouncy:

Peacekeeper (red)
Dr Evil (black)
Saviga V (red)
Neptune (red)
Neptune (black)
388D-1 (red)
955 (black)

All sheets were lying on my tt table, side by side. To test them I simply dropped two balls from the same height on two adjacent sheets and sorted the sheets until they were ranked lowest to highest. En route from China are Palio CK531A and Meteor 8512 that I'll add to this list in a couple of weeks.

Fantastic! yes that is exactly right nathanso... we posted at the same time

here is my starting list starting from the slowets:

Meteor 8512 (red)
Double Fish 1615 (red)
milky Way Neptune (red)
Palio CK531A (red)

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I should have realized you were thinking relative results, not absolute.

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Forhand, H-3 National
Backhand, Sriver FX Max

oops, haha, yeah.

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Chasse Patate

I've updated the list. As you can see, even if you've only got 2 rubber to test, it can confirm or disprove it's position in the list, so it's very useful! Ive got a few more to add... I just have to try and remove the sponge, which is tough job for some

I will start another list like this for spin reversal and sensitivity. Just bouncing a spinning ball on the rubbers show that some really bounce off to the side (eg. Neptune), and other straight up (eg Meteorite).

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To assess other LP properties, perhaps a test like the following would be of some value:

1. Lay unmounted LP sheets on movable flat surface; a tray, for example.

2. Elevate one side of the tray so the sheets are at a 45* angle to the table that supports the tray.

3. Drop balls from a constant height and measure how far from the sheet each ball travels before contacting the table.

I haven't tried this yet, and suspect a rather large drop distance will be required to bring out any differences. And differences may end up being the same as the bounciness tests already underway.

Here's an idea for spin reversal testing: Build a simply two-rail ball launching ramp similar to the old Shoot The Moon game's metal rods. it needn't be any more complex than two parallel rods or even a U-shaped channel. The deeper the ball nestles between the rods, the more spin the ball would have upon exiting the ramp. Such consistently spinning balls could be targeted at the aforementioned inclined tray.

As long as the sponge is specified it doesn't matter. It will also give some idea of the "deadness" of the sponge.

The surface is a big problem. For example I've 0.5mm Pheonix loaded onto a Violin and other pips loaded on to the Septear, Medusa, 1012, FW+, Barricade, FibreComp (I gave the last 3 away but easy to test them).

Its hard to compare between all those blades. A standard surface also is tough because if its wood it will depend on the thickness and type of the wood.

SOLUTION: It is better to send Haggisv either the rubber or the cut-off from the rubber. He can then use his standard surface, height etc..

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It is a great list.... sticky?

That pip orientation thread should be archive or put onto the pips website.

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Slowest Dr Evil (Black short pips)

Feint (Black ox)
Leggy (Black ox)
Insider (Black ox)
388D-1 (Black ox)
Fastest Cloud&Fog (Red ox)

There was not a lot of difference between Feint,Leggy and Insider.
Dr Evil was clearly the slowest and Cloud&Fog the fastest

More bounce tests...

Slow
Phantom 007 (a clear winner)
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Kokutaku 911
Feint
Curl PH
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Curl P3a
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Joola Shark
Saviga V
837
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C8
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CK531A
388D-1
Fast

All ox red pips. Those groups together are the same.