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This is the review of a rubber that is NOT commercially available yet but should be soon!

Here's my review of the rubber (black, OX)

1. Blade/Style/Level
Rubber was glued to a BUTTERFLY Grubba Variant blade (ALL). I'm playing a blocking style, mostly backhand at mid US 2100 level (Current rating 2135)

2. Physical properties
The pips are fairly grippy (as all friction long pips) with textured pips tops. They feel fairly soft. My sheet was black and OX - no sponge. I did glue the rubber with water based glue to the blade - no glue sheet
Pips geometry seemed fairly regular.

3. Speed:
a) the speed of the rubber at low speed impact was medium, very similar to SE7EN block - maybe slightly faster
b) The speed when blocking against fast loops was slow and controlled. However, when the block was not clean (off center), my block occasionally went long.

Generally a extremely good controllable rubber against most strokes.

4. Spin and reversal.
Reversal on this rubber is typical for friction pips, maybe slightly better than SE7EN block but not a big difference. A passive block would usually produce a dead ball.

5. Sensitivity to spin:
When blocking against hard hits, the rubber keeps the ball low and produces a sinking ball. However, against slow and spinny loops, you have to close the angle to be able to block them low.
6. Control:
Control was good when pushing and blocking against low to medium spin.. However, against heavy, slow spin, you have to angle the racket almost like with short pips. Control for chop-blocking is great and a nice amount of spin can be produced. Hitting with it was fairly easy against chop and dead balls. The only balls that I had issues with were spinless balls.. Most active strokes would produce a long ball.. The only thing that worked against dead balls were passive strokes.

8. Reference:

It plays very similar to SE7EN block and seems to be a good replacement who have to give up SE7EN rubbers due to their elimination from the list (at least temporary). I will still spend more time with that rubber as also with the other 2 versions (US and U5) to be more certain of my impressions.

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 Post subject: Re: AIR Upupup UQ review
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you do great reviews is Air a brand name?

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 Post subject: Re: AIR Upupup UQ review
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Thanks Pushblocker,
you do great reviews is Air a brand name?



Yes, AIR is a new brand. It is not available for sale yet.. I know details about who makes those rubbers but I can't share that information. It will be available for sale soon.. It's only going to be legal after 1/1/2010 as it's a new brand and not on the current list but it is on the new list.
AIR will have short pips, inverted and long pips rubbers. They were meant as SE7EN alternatives/replacement and they really play very similar. The rubber is slightly different from the SE7EN rubbers.. The pips seem slighlty larger than the SE7EN rubbers and the bottom of the rubber is also different.. While SE7EN has a flat bottom, the AIR rubbers have a textured bottom.. The texture on the pip tops is identical to SE7EN..
I will still need some more time if it really is the ultimate replacement for SE7EN but so far, it looks promising.. There are still 2 more hardnesses that I will try to see which one I like best.. On a bounce test, the UQ seemed to be the slowest one, so that was the one that I started with.

The brand will be available through Colestt as he is the brand owner. I assume that those rubbers also will be abailable here on OOAK too but that of course depends on them!

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 Post subject: Re: AIR Upupup UQ review
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Thanks for the nice review. Do you know what the general neighborhood of the price is going to be on those?

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 Post subject: Re: AIR Upupup UQ review
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Thanks for the nice review. Do you know what the general neighborhood of the price is going to be on those?


My guess is that the price will be in the general neighborhood of the SE7EN.. I do know how much the factory charges, so I know that it won't be a "cheap" rubber.. My guess would be that the price will be somewhere in the $25 - $30 neighborhood but I might be wrong..

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Nice review, thanks psuhblocker!

I only tried a red one... didn't find it that sensitive to spin, so perhaps the black is a little grippier, or perhaps it's just our different perception of the rubber.

Yes that price range sounds about right.

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haggisv wrote:
Nice review, thanks psuhblocker!

I only tried a red one... didn't find it that sensitive to spin, so perhaps the black is a little grippier, or perhaps it's just our different perception of the rubber.

Yes that price range sounds about right.

ALex...


BTW - of course I was talking about US Dollar, so in Australian Dollar it would be slightly more.. However, it's just a guess.. It all depends on what Cole decides the price to be..

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Played the U5 today and it plays extremely similar to the UQ.. The US is the only one that is noticeable different.. I did get to play all 3 today and I was very satisfied. After the NA Teams Championship, I will switch to the new AIR brand. I haven't decided yet wich version will be the one that I will play with but I can play very well with all 3. Right now, I do prefer the UQ and U5 but that might change as I get to play more with the rubbers. I HIGHLY recommend those rubbers to anybody who likes the SE7EN block.. Even though the rubbers are slightly different, they play very similar.. As with the SE7EN block, how the rubber plays depends A LOT about the blade.. Again, I did use a Butterfly Grubba Variant blade. I did play the US on a Hallmark Aurora (DEF side) and the rubber played more similar to Giant Long and not SE7EN.. The Gubba Variant in combination with those rubbers gives you a feel that shouts "CONTROL" when you push or block with it.. I only get this feel in combination with that specific blade!!

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I found the U5 quite a bit more sensitive to spin...The UQ seemed quite different to the other to me... Both sheets I used were red.

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haggisv wrote:
I found the U5 quite a bit more sensitive to spin...The UQ seemed quite different to the other to me... Both sheets I used were red.


I do think that the color makes some difference in how the rubbers acts.. Unfortunately, I only have the UQ and U5 in black and the US in red. For me, the US was the most different one.
Right now, both, the U5 and UQ are playing very similar to my SE7EN and either one should be a good replacement.. I did play against the same opponent with the UQ and the SE7EN block in consecutive matches.. I lost with the UQ 3:2, deuce in the fifth and won with the SE7EN the next match at deuce in the 5th.. I did have a slightly better strategy in the 2nd match, so I don't think that the rubber made the difference.. The opponent has a nasty game.. He has a anti on his backhand and all he does with it is attacking. His anti serves are also very dangerous as he mixes up placement and speed very well. This guy plays excellent against all slow styles..

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Pushblocker wrote:
rodderz wrote:
Thanks Pushblocker,
you do great reviews is Air a brand name?



Yes, AIR is a new brand. It is not available for sale yet.. I know details about who makes those rubbers but I can't share that information. It will be available for sale soon.. It's only going to be legal after 1/1/2010 as it's a new brand and not on the current list but it is on the new list.
AIR will have short pips, inverted and long pips rubbers. They were meant as SE7EN alternatives/replacement and they really play very similar. The rubber is slightly different from the SE7EN rubbers.. The pips seem slighlty larger than the SE7EN rubbers and the bottom of the rubber is also different.. While SE7EN has a flat bottom, the AIR rubbers have a textured bottom.. The texture on the pip tops is identical to SE7EN..
I will still need some more time if it really is the ultimate replacement for SE7EN but so far, it looks promising.. There are still 2 more hardnesses that I will try to see which one I like best.. On a bounce test, the UQ seemed to be the slowest one, so that was the one that I started with.

The brand will be available through Colestt as he is the brand owner. I assume that those rubbers also will be abailable here on OOAK too but that of course depends on them!


Pushblocker, are you sure that ColesTT is the brand owner or do you mean official distributor for north America? I am asking this for there will be one sole distributor (Chinese equipment specialist) for France the Benelux and the Netherlands (company named misterping based in France) and the owner informed his customers that the brand is sino-german.

The distributor will only carry the backsides (in early January) as the long pips and the short pip rubber do not bring anything new on the pips market (except a higher price than that of chinese equipment). They will offer 3 different backsides :
Scirocco SR (close to Tenergy) : 1.8/2.0/2.2mm in 33/37/41°
Scirocco SN (close to Roxon) : 1.8/2.0/2.2mm 33/37/41°
3rd (no name yet) equivalent to a DHS H3
Later on will be launched the same rubbers in 35/39143° in 1.5 and max thickness.

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Pushblocker wrote:
rodderz wrote:
Thanks Pushblocker,
you do great reviews is Air a brand name?



Yes, AIR is a new brand. It is not available for sale yet.. I know details about who makes those rubbers but I can't share that information. It will be available for sale soon.. It's only going to be legal after 1/1/2010 as it's a new brand and not on the current list but it is on the new list.
AIR will have short pips, inverted and long pips rubbers. They were meant as SE7EN alternatives/replacement and they really play very similar. The rubber is slightly different from the SE7EN rubbers.. The pips seem slighlty larger than the SE7EN rubbers and the bottom of the rubber is also different.. While SE7EN has a flat bottom, the AIR rubbers have a textured bottom.. The texture on the pip tops is identical to SE7EN..
I will still need some more time if it really is the ultimate replacement for SE7EN but so far, it looks promising.. There are still 2 more hardnesses that I will try to see which one I like best.. On a bounce test, the UQ seemed to be the slowest one, so that was the one that I started with.

The brand will be available through Colestt as he is the brand owner. I assume that those rubbers also will be abailable here on OOAK too but that of course depends on them!


Pushblocker, are you sure that ColesTT is the brand owner or do you mean official distributor for north America? I am asking this for there will be one sole distributor (Chinese equipment specialist) for France the Benelux and the Netherlands (company named misterping based in France) and the owner informed his customers that the brand is sino-german.

The distributor will only carry the backsides (in early January) as the long pips and the short pip rubber do not bring anything new on the pips market (except a higher price than that of chinese equipment). They will offer 3 different backsides :
Scirocco SR (close to Tenergy) : 1.8/2.0/2.2mm in 33/37/41°
Scirocco SN (close to Roxon) : 1.8/2.0/2.2mm 33/37/41°
3rd (no name yet) equivalent to a DHS H3
Later on will be launched the same rubbers in 35/39143° in 1.5 and max thickness.


Cole is not the only one involved with the brand.. However, he is the one that submitted the rubbers to ITTF for testing and authorization, so I'd see him as the main guy but he is not the only one involved with the brand. I personally do know where those rubbers come from (what factory and country) but it's not information that I can share.. Neither publicly nor by PM.. I'm personally not associated with the brand and I really don't know who else is involved with the brand. All that Cole told me is that he is involved with the brand and that he was the one submitting the rubbers to ITTF. I was forwarded e-mails from the manufactorer to him, so I know whom he is dealing with but again, that is confidential information that I can't share.

What I'm posting here is also the same that Cole publicly posted on another forum:

http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.asp ... &tid=30255

Question form member Tinkykin:

"Cole, is Air your personal brand or something? That is, have you moved up to being a manufacturer?"

Coles answer:

"Kind of, I'm involved in it and I'm the one who's submitting to ittf for approval."

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If I am not mistaken, both Air and Se7en rubbers are made in the same plant in China (under european control). It is even said that this plant is also producing TT Master's rubbers (whose owner is chinese).

What is surprising is that the distributor for Europe who works closely with brand such as Tuttle, Haïfu and Friendship did not mention Cole at all....

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Marathon Man wrote:
If I am not mistaken, both Air and Se7en rubbers are made in the same plant in China (under european control). It is even said that this plant is also producing TT Master's rubbers (whose owner is chinese).

What is surprising is that the distributor for Europe who works closely with brand such as Tuttle, Haïfu and Friendship did not mention Cole at all....


Well, SE7EN always claimed that their rubbers were manufactored by several small swiss rubber manufactorers... :mrgreen:

BTW - edited my previous post with more information, directly from Cole

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Marathon Man wrote:
If I am not mistaken, both Air and Se7en rubbers are made in the same plant in China (under european control). It is even said that this plant is also producing TT Master's rubbers (whose owner is chinese).

What is surprising is that the distributor for Europe who works closely with brand such as Tuttle, Haïfu and Friendship did not mention Cole at all....


Well, SE7EN always claimed that their rubbers were manufactored by several small swiss rubber manufactorers... :mrgreen:

Yeah but the plant is not in Switzerland........

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