Only just seen this topic.
I joined years ago when I mainly played. I kept coming back for the banter and friendships I made through posting, traveling to meet forum members and pm messages I sent and received plus the information you could give / get back regarding equipment. I was an EJ
and still am. Then my life direction changed as did my involvement in table tennis and I switched from playing to coaching. At that point the forum became less relevant to my needs. I guess I lived and experienced table tennis more in "person" than through an active forum and keyboard. Now, I've popped back as I've more time on my hands domestically. I'm sticking with coaching but I'm also starting to return to scratch the EJ itch and over the years I've book marked a number of topics which I can now revisit for information and research. In many ways, whilst the years have passed, there is still a familiarity with the same topics being discussed, like fashion, these repeat themselves.
What I do think is missing now though is the interaction and "heated" discussions that used to take place in this forum. Just have a look at Adham Shahara's topics and the strong feeling behind a lot of the posts there. Love him or hate him, his participation in that thread captured a lot of emotion between him and the forum and between forum members. Again with the introduction of the Plastic Ball, Dr. Torsten Küneth's presence on the forum and willingness to engage with forum members was a fantastic catalyst for emotive passionate debate. That type of presence and opportunity to connect with senior officials seems to be missing now.
I also, and I'm being probably contraversial here, don't think we have the same strength of characters / forum members willing to post and facilitate strong discussion. There were some old members I didn't get along with and who didn't get along with me (the friend and foe option came in useful
) but you couldn't fault the passion they had for the game, nor the strength of their opinions and argument - literally argument. And there were others who were extremely proactive posting member inclusive topics to engage forum members and draw out the shy. I'm not saying which category these membes fall into (friend or foe) but does anyone remember the likes of Roundrobin, Speedplay, AntiPip, hookshot, tatlwai, Baal, Bogeyhunter, Silver, Yuzuki, Der_Echte, Kees and many others, not to mention the unmentionable who were ultimately banned!
Yes there are still characters, MNNB etc who remain but who are much quieter but there is and always has been a "niceness" to this forum which is both a credit to haggisv who is a good friend I can always rely on to offer help and advice although we rarely speak now - that should change - and a curse because it's almost "too nice and polite". A thin line.
Ultimately though, from my experience, video and youtube and watching the "pro's" play (which isn't necessarily a good way to improve your technique) and short attention spans seem much more prominant these days. The desire for an instant fix with limited effort. Posting takes time. It takes thought and a willingness to log in, think and type and importantly a need to bother to read responses. That willingness to listen to others, and read seems to be on the decline. Mmm, I wonder is anyone is still reading my post
Just take a look at the top forum members by "thanked" numbers. Not necessarily a good guide to the value a member adds to a forum, but the top 10 make interesting reading:
1 haggisv - still actively posting, though nowhere near as much as he used to
2 iskandar taib - still active
3 Def-attack - last posted 23 Jan, 2024 but prior to that, only 1 other post since August 2023
4 Lorre - last visited 25 Jan, 2024 but prior to that only two posts in the previous 7 months
5 mynamenotbob - over 11'000 posts but only 4 in the last 6 months
6 Japsican - not visisted since 2022
7 pgpg - 9 posts in the last 5 months
8 Retriever - 4 posts in the last 7 months
9 Debater - this is my first post in the last 5 months
10 manofan - last posted Jan 2020
These 10 members alone (and I stopped at 10 as I've a life to lead outside here and it's late in the UK
) have contributed approximately 71'000 posts between them and apart form a couple, they've hardly been active in recent times. Within the top 150 contributers to this forum by way of posts made, only one member I can find has joined since Jan 2020 or later and that's merlin el mago.
Even the thread "introduce yourself" which was crafted partly to help encourage members to have the confidence to post has barely had any new members introduce themselves to the forum in the last 12 months.
So what's the point of my post? Yawn.
Simple. This forum is great. It's a fantastic resource. It's almost become like a libray of knowledge. People go to libraries to read and be quiet, lost in their own worlds. They don't go to chat. You want more activity, encourage chatter, be more contraversial, loose some of the "niceness", elicit emotion in members, get the passions stirred up and maybe hide away some of the topics, out of sight, blocked. Make members create and discuss topics and content rather than rely on what's already here and foster more video content - I used to love watching video diaries, or videos of any member brave enough to put on show to the world how they actually played the game we all love.
And lastly, should we get hung up about the age thing and wanting to appeal to the younger generation? I'll share some analytics about the make up of one of my YouTube channels which has table tennis content. I've not uploaded any content to that channel for a long time so my activity is similar to here.
Current subscribers - 18,909
Over the last 28 days:
Region views by percentage
1. United States - 12.5%
2. UK - 9.2%
3. Indonesia - 6.8%
4. India - 6.3%
5. Philippines - 2.3%
Gender:
Female - 1.4%
Male - 98.7%
Age:
13 - 17 years 0%
18 - 24 years 1.2%
25 - 34 years 16%
35 - 44 years 33.2%
45 - 54 years 16.8%
55 - 64 years 14.1%
65+ years 18.7%
Top watched videos:
Of the top 10 watched videos, 5 were coaching videos and 5 were equipment testing. None were local league matches.
Now I think my channel's viewing age figures are actually quite representative of the age make up of our league with the exception we have a lot more youngsters, up to age 18 than suggested by my channels viewing figures. But the rest of the stats do reflect the playing ages of local league players and sadly the gender make up too. Table tennis at local league level in the UK is generally played by kids until they go away to University or start families and careers. This education and career stage covers 18 - mid 30's. Then their lives settle down, they have a bit more time and are more financially stable so return to playing, and then keep on playing until they either reach an age / physical condition where they can't take losing to people they used to beat and so give up, or their body calls time on active playing.
So are we right to try and focus on trying to attract the younger generation and if so, how?
Well, a deeper dive in to my channels stats show that my top video which is about coaching has a lifetime viewer age makeup of:
- 42.2% in the 18-24 age group,
- 39.2%in the 25-34 years age group,
- 13.8% in the 35-44 years age group and
- 4.8% in the 45-54 years age group.
So the coaching video has a much higher perentage of younger viewers compared to my subscribers who tend to be older viewers.
My second most watched video in the last 28 days, which is an equipment test video, has a lifetime viewer age make up as follows:
- 9.4% in the 13-17 years age group,
- 58.4% in the 18-24 years age group,
- 18% in the 25-34 years age group and
- 14.3% in the 35-44 years age group
Surprisingly not enough viewers in the older age groups where I have lots of subscribers actually watched the video to register as a percentage! Yikes. Bear in mind, the popularity of the video was based on the last 28 days viewing figures, but the actually viewing perecentages by age were based on total views since YouTube kept the latest format of stats on these videos (2019) and both these videos were uploaded years ago so will include viewing figures by my subscribers in that time and not just the last 28 days which would include very few subscribers.
The last stat I'll bore you with - cos I'm that way inclined in the early hours of Wednesday morning - is where my traffic comes from (how people find my videos).
My top coaching video had over 91% of it's lifetime views come from YouTube's own serch and browse and suggested videos features. External sources only (where videos had been embeded) accounted for only 2.3% and of that 2.3% OOAK forum was the top forum source with 69 views. To put that in to perspective, since these YouTube stats started on 1 January 2019, this video has had 301'232 views and only 69 came from the highest ranked table tennis forum.
My top equipment testing video has had over 84% of it's lifetime views come from YouTube's own search/browse/suggested functionality. However, external sources accounted for 11.7%, significantly higher than the coaching video. And of that 11.7%, whilst google search was by far the highes source, next was Table Tennis Daily's forum with 511 views, and third was OOAK forum with 399 and there were other forums in the top 10 external sources for this video.
ConclusionSo what does this mean for the future of OOAK forum.
The younger generation is more interested in coaching and getting better by playing than the older generation, yet this forums coaching forum (one thread aside) is very quiet. You want to bring youngsters back to the forum, create great technique and playing instructional content - maybe even share experiences of what it's like to progress through elite sport pathways (it's a real eye opener).
You want to encourage more active older age participation, foster fresh new discussions around equipment (even at the expense of hiding away existing content behind a privacy wall or even god forbid, dare I say it, a premium content paywall
or "private members" content only section - anyone remember how that went last time it was introduced
). How to encourage that activity, mmm, contraversy, interaction with forum members, get manufacturers to do Q&A again, whatever takes your fancy.
For me though, forum layout and tinkering with "usability" whilst valid ideas - if you can't use it, doesn't matter how good the content, people won't try to access that content - I personally find this forum already user friendly and very easy to navigate if I stick to simple things like the search function for key words, the use of bookmarks to remember relevant topics and the active topic function - always my goto search method. But remember, one of the reasons YouTube is so popular and people spend hours and hours on it is because it's like a rabit hole, so easy to get distracted and lost in the content that you end up watching videos you never had any intention of watching. Don't make this forum so easy to navigate that the joy of getting lost in unknown and wonderful topics is taken away. That said, you could guide the visitor to this forum better. The active threads option is a little bit like a "suggested" topic tool, but is there another way or facility in the forum toolkit that can suggest "relevant topics" to members based on their history of reading and searching for topics. A way of getting people lost in the joys of this forum. May I suggest anyone interested in heated debate, politics and civil war check out the Adham Sharara topics here:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4772viewtopic.php?f=25&t=5357viewtopic.php?f=25&t=8686or if you fancy a bit of forum member ego massaging try "A new OOAK forum ranking"
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29251Hey ho, so ends my one post a year, back in to the shadows I trundle.