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Hey, I bought a sheet of 799-1 in OX a while back so I'll post a quick review on it in a day or two after I've had a hit with it. It's really more of a medium-short pip, but it's definately closer to a short pip than a long so I figured I should put it in this section

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Looking foreward to read the review from you Joo Se Kev. I thought of buying the 799 too, but it is only available in OX in the shop so it might be to slow for me.

Flemming

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zeropong has it in 1.8 for five bucks because it's going to be banned along with the frictionless long pips. Or you could always buy a sponge separately and glue it yourself.

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I had quite a few sheets before when I was in the darkside.

I prefer the 799 over the 802 anyday. Its true that its a tad longer than short pips but its so much easier to use. The actual topsheet is much softer and elastic compared to the 802. In my view a much better SP for topspinning compared to 802.

I´m confused. I thought that only frictionless LP would be banned, but now you are telling me that a SP like 799 will be banned too
If this pip is capable of generating a fair amount of spin, why ban it ?

Flemming

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Buy the way what is the difference between 799 sold be Alex and 799-1 ?

Flemming

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for friendship pips out rubbers a "-1" means that the pimples are spaced out a little further, thus decreasing the sensitivity to spin. Otherwise the rubber is the same as the original version. The ones I can think of off the top of my head are: 802/802-1, 799/799-1, and 563/563-1.

I'm also a little confused as to why this rubber is on the banned list. From just running the ball over across it seems like it would generate more spin than my grippy long pips that aren't going to be banned

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I'm pretty sure it's only the 799-1 that will be banned, not the normal 799...

I was very surprised to hear this too!

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It is a bloody shame. I have come to like these SP with pips spaced out further than normal. It is the same thing with Nittaku Pimplemini. I sure hope they won´t ban that one.

Flemming

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It just seems strange to me that something like hallmark's super defence is not on the list, but 799-1, which is barely even a medium pip will be banned.

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You can say that again brother. As far as I´ve understand it, ITTF is using a minimum friction level to determine whether rubbers should be banned or not. I have not tried the 799-1 myself but judging from LawOCG´s experience, it sounds like the rubber is capable of producing a fair amount of spin.

Flemming

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I suspect that's it's becuase of the wider than normal spacing rather than lack of friction. They may be rechecking compliance with the aspect ratio.

-- Andrew

Maybe you are right Andrew. The ITTF is keeping the cards pretty close so it is hard to know what criteria they are using to ban different kind of rubbers. Aneway the sports will be less fun after 2008. Maybe they should just ban everything but 2,0 mm inverted red/black rubber.

Flemming

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Yes, it's hard to tell what rubbers will be banned and why.

I think there should be an option at some tournaments for only using 2.0 inverted or 1.5 short pips, but the different rubbers don't bother me, so I think it's pretty silly to ban them. I've tried to play with 755 Faster and it's not easy, it would take quite an adjustment for me to do it well.

-- Andrew

All right guys, it turns out I didn't have much of a chance to try it out, but I'll still post a quick review. This is a first impression only, based on about 1 hour of play:

Appearance: I got my sheet in OX so I can't comment on the sponge, but I was immediately surprised at how thin and transluscent the red topsheet was compared to the deep red of 802-40, or even normal 802. The pips are horizontally arranged, and are a tad longer than a normal short pip. The tops of the pips are textured and seem to have a nicer finish than some of the 802-variant pips I've used. Because the sheet seemed so thin, I only put glue on the blade and just rolled it on which seemed to work well.

Playing Characteristics: ---disclaimer: I have limited experience playing in OX so I don't have much of a reference point to draw from.--

Control: I felt the control was really good close up to the table. Blocking was consistent and seemed to work best as more of a chop-block: against high spin loops with a little downward motion, a small to medium amount of back/side spin could be created. Pushing was pretty easy as long as I lifted a little more to help it over the net. Again, the spin wasn't very high on the pushes but it was easy enough keep low, which is really more important anyway...

Offense: Although some sponge would really help in this department, I found the 799-1 to be pretty effective for flat hitting over the table, and even for looping against backspin off the table. The main thing to consider is that the speed is not very high in OX, so if your attacks are not placed well you will be punished. I had a lot of difficulty attempted to lift no spin and underspin balls when they were over the table. Without sponge, the dwell time just wasn't there.

Conclusion: I don't really feel this pip suits my game as well as some others I've tried. I do need to put some sponge under it before I totally dismiss it, but I'm all out at the moment. It makes a good hardbat pip. And if I spent more time close in to the table I might appreciate it more, but for now I think I'll pass. Also, I did have a corner tear a little bit when I removed it from the blade so be gentle with it if you get it in OX!

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