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I got a sheet of Juic Patisuma II (red, max sponge) from One of a Kind and had a chance to play with it some last week. It comes in a foil package (sealed for your protection?) which when opened you pop out a ready to play sheet of rubber, speed/spin tuned for performance.

The Patisuma II has a topsheet similar to Globe 889-2 or Friendship 802-40, the sponge is what stands out. Labeled as 40 degrees, the orange sponge feels softer to the touch (maybe due to the pre-tuning) but dynamic and I could tell there was a lot of speed stored there.

I applied 3 coats of regular cement as I don't have the hang of using the new VOC glues. Each coat led to fairly strong doming, so I let the sheet sit overnight before applying to a blade (Joola Guo 3C, light and fast).

Due to the high quality Japanese sponge, weight was not as much as I expected for max sponge (I usually play with 1.8 thickness). When I started to play with the rubber, I realized that it had the qualities of the clean tuned rubbers I'd played with previously, dynamic but not bouncy which enhances both spin and speed on topspin strokes, but retains control over the table.

Compared to unglued 889-2, the sponge was far more dynamic so looping and countering away from the table was easier. Compared to Clean Tuned 802-40 in 2.2 the sponge felt softer even as the ball went faster and spinnier.

I was a bit concerned with the max sponge, but did not find the thickness an issue and gained a good deal of capabilities from mid-distance. When working with another player on counterlooping I was able to back up from the table and get the ball back to them with some spin, something I can't really do with regular 802 in 1.8 sponge. Serving and pushing and even blocking had good control, with the thicker sponge an asset.

All in all, a fine effort from Juic and a good option for those who want their rubber ready to play. Supposedly the rubber can be refreshed with a pressure box/bag after 4 weeks, but some say the tuning lasts up to 12 weeks so maybe by then it will just be time to buy a new sheet of rubber. I'm not sure what the price premium will be, but it will fill a good niche for those who don't want to mess with their rubber.

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Spintech All Around Penhold blade
Spinlord Keiler II 1.5 black
Nittaku FastArc G1 red

729 all around blade
Tibhar Grass D-Tec S Red
Nittaku FastArc G1 black

Very nice review, thanks a lot Andrew!

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Thanks for the review, seriously considering getting this rubber. I'm trying to build an almost entirely defensive racket, and I say "almost" because I want to be able to surprise drive with slight topspin occasionally. So far I have Nittaku Leggy Defense on the back of Nittaku Endless blade and I'm thinking this on forehand.

Any comments on that?

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Should work for that, like any wide pipped, thicker sponge short pip it will not be very "tricky" but will be good for attacking with.

It will allow you to attack with topspin from slightly farther away that other short pips, but not as much as inverted.

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-- Andrew

Spintech All Around Penhold blade
Spinlord Keiler II 1.5 black
Nittaku FastArc G1 red

729 all around blade
Tibhar Grass D-Tec S Red
Nittaku FastArc G1 black

are the pips taller than 889-2?? what about the durability andrew?? have you tried patisuma3?

shouldn't this thread be in the "short pips" section?

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You're right!

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this is the short pips section!!

Haven't used 889-2, but that, 802-40 and Patisuma all seem pretty similar except the sponge.

The tuned rubber topsheet does seem to peel off the sponge fairly easily, so be careful of that.

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-- Andrew

Spintech All Around Penhold blade
Spinlord Keiler II 1.5 black
Nittaku FastArc G1 red

729 all around blade
Tibhar Grass D-Tec S Red
Nittaku FastArc G1 black

That is correct. You are awarded 5 points.
This thread was started in the "inverted" section, and in accordance with that comment from fazer227 a mod/admin (haggisv, by the looks of it) moved it to its current location. 5 points awarded also for that perfect move, but 2 deducted for not properly documenting what has transpired.

Well said!

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does it last ?? corks like glued?? have you tried patisuma III? make a list of the pips you have tried i would like to know , i m upset about the quality of eacheng rubbers i gotta find a better replacement for 802 o4 -40 that guarantee that each rubber plays the same

You do realize the review was over 4 years ago? I think I said then all I could about the rubber.

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-- Andrew

Spintech All Around Penhold blade
Spinlord Keiler II 1.5 black
Nittaku FastArc G1 red

729 all around blade
Tibhar Grass D-Tec S Red
Nittaku FastArc G1 black