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Yeah, you're probably right about the 0.2 not being a big deal.. I notice a huge difference between P1r 1.0mm range and 1.5 range but I doubt I'd notice if a sheet of P1r 1.0~1.3 came in on the thick side. I guess for a sheet of SP there'd only be a huge difference if a sheet of 1.4~1.7 came in on the thin side and a 1.7~1.9 sheet came in thick. However, I think I figured out why I hated the Spectol so much, and it wasn't the sponge thickness. Turns out the guy who lent me the sheet had boosted the hell out of it (5 layers over a period of time), and then forgot about it by the time he gave it to me. Explains the mushiness and lack of feel

That'll do it.

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Oh and who are some of the female SP choppers out there? I've mostly only followed the LP choppers in the women's game.

Wu Yang?

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Han Ying with Spectol 1.5

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Those are the only two I already know! Thanks though, I'll watch them.

looking for dampening sponge that sold separately from the rubber.

the closest I could find is BLutenkirsche Japan, which around Tackiness 2 rebound speed.

Looking for something slower.

Dear Grill,

You can also try different sponge like Tuple (rock hard) to see how they play.

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looking for dampening sponge that sold separately from the rubber.

the closest I could find is BLutenkirsche Japan, which around Tackiness 2 rebound speed.

Looking for something slower.

Dear Grill,

You can also try different sponge like Tuple (rock hard) to see how they play.

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Cole from colestt.com has "Air Zero Sponge" which is meant to totally suck the pace off of any shot, if you're looking for the slowest possible sponge. However, I think that is more of the dampening sponge you'd find under anti or select LP, like leatherback was talking about, that really just makes ultra slow dead balls. Sponges like that don't "bite" quite enough to generate heavy underspin with pips.

Aside from that, I don't know enough about all the vendors out there to know who has a good chopping dampening sponge sold separately, something like Bty FL3 or TSP Curl P4. If I could find it, I'd buy it and put it under 802.
In the meantime, I'll probably go ahead and pull the trigger on a sheet of Spectol in 1.5mm and a sheet of Superspinpips Chop 2, cause I have the budget for it, and they seem to work for a lot of people.

Chop 2 has the same sponge as p4

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Yeah, that's why I was thinking of getting it. I've tried P4, and I really liked the sponge for controlled chops. Only thing is they don't sell their sponges separately, so I'll have to actually buy the rubbers..

Hey guys,
I am probably too late to the party but soft of hard sponge for SP chopping is something I had to decide myself when I switched to SP Modern Defense.

For reference, I am above 2000 USATT level and played with both inverted before switching.

I tried a lot of different sponges and topsheets....

SP chopping isn't easy but it feels very natural if one comes from inverted.
I tried a bunch of LP and was never able to be consistent and the lack of spin input on the ball was a deal breaker for me.

I came to few conclusions about SP chopping:
1) Harder and deader sponges help as they slow down the ball (less bounce) but they affect the ability to put spin
2) Grippy topsheets are not really an advantage. They are just too sensitive to spin to be consistent

I tested 802, 802-40, 799, TSP (SSC2, SSC, Super Spinpips, Spectol, Spectol Speed), etc.....
in thickness from 0.5 to 1.8-2.0mm.

The best compromise for me has been Spectol in 1.4-1.7 (and Spectol Speed to some degree) because of its ability to put spin without being too sensitive to incoming.

Medium Soft sponge allows to do sidespin chops and mixing it up well between underspin and dead balls.
It also helps with attacks, block and pushes at the table.

1.0mm helps with chopping but 1.5mm is a much better compromise for chopping, blocking and attacking.

Hope that helps...

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