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SHORT PIPS OUT RUBBERS - speed, spin, control
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Andro Classic - 41 60 95
Andro Logo - 105 80 75
Andro revolution C.O.R. -107 82 70

Armstrong Attack 3 - 83 90 100
Armstrong Rosin - 91 81 90


Butterfly Challenger Attack - 97 70 70
Butterfly Flarestorm - 102 60 ?
Butterfly Orthodox - 43 58 80
Butterfly Raystorm - 98 78 80
Butterfly Speedy PO - ? ? ?


DHS PF4-651 - 92 55 72 [this is NOT the fast modern version; see below]
DHS 651 - 110 70 80 [this is the modern version, yellow sponge; available on Oneofakindtrading]
DHS 652 - 102 75 70
DHS 874 - 104 75 70
DHS Dragonow - 102 55 70
DHS Lightning 110 80 70
DHS Sharping - 102 60 70

Donic Baxster D 25 - 93 77 65
Donic Baxster F1-A - 100 75 70


Dr. Neubauer Leopard - 88 78 75
Dr.Neubauer Pistol - 104 82 90
Dr.Neubauer Tornado Ultra - 102 86 72

Friendship 729 Dr.Evil - 70 80 85 / 60 55 90 acc. to Andrew
Friendship RITC 799 - 96 60 90
Friendship 802-1 - 92 78 88
Friendship RITC 802 - 96 60 85
Friendship 802-40 Special Supersoft Pro - 110 75 95

Globe 888 N-Out 110 60 60
Globe 889 - 90 75 85

Hallmark Magic Pips - 95 86 75

Joola Amigo - 95 70 70
Joola Snabb - 98 99 83
Joola Staccato - 97 78 75
Joola Tango Ultra - 100 75 70

Juic Offense - 93 90 100
Juic Offense Ultima - 96 87 88

Meteor 71-1 - 98 68 78
Meteor 71-2 - 94 58 82

Nittaku Hammond FA - 100 70 75
Nittaku Moristo - 107 75 ?

Stiga Clippa - 96 93 74
Stiga Radical ACS - 93 90 77
Stiga Royal - 93 87 75 / 97 72 75 acc. to Andrew


Tibhar Speedy Soft - 98 69 70
Tibhar Speedy Soft D.TecS - 105 80 75


TSP L-Catcher - 80 75 80
TSP Miracle - 40 60 85
TSP Spectol - 100 73 69
TSP Spectol 21 - 102 73 65
TSP Super Spin Pips - 93 75 72
TSP Super Spin Pips-21 - 96 78 70
TSP Super Spin Pips Chop - 88 79 85
TSP Tyranno - 98 76 70

XuShaoFa 889 - 96 72 80

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Blade: Barna Original Triumph Forehand Yasaka Razka Po Backhand Der-Materialspezialist Störkraft 0.8
http://www.instagram.com/dragontattooguy

Andrew wrote:
Do you treat your 802-1 on 1.6 mm sponge someway, to enhance its spinning ability, or is your sponge special? I've used the 802-1 myself and couldn't adjust to the hard/dead feel it has on its standard (white HRS) sponge in 1.8 mm, even less so in 1.5 mm; in 2.0 mm I could handle it a bit better, even more so in 2.2 mm, but as it gets thicker control decreases, so at last I gave up on it and changed to 652 in 1.8 mm. I don't have the same problem with 802 (maybe because its topsheet is thinner?).

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Very neat job, AA!

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tatlwai wrote: The DHS is mostly listed as long (its values would 70 60 55); the pimplemini seems to be medium, but I can't find reliable values for it.

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I've added some, again. For others, like the Speedy P.O. , I still can't find reliable values. As for the spin value, On Megaspin.net I happened on values for Donic Twister's spin "20-60" . One might offer the same kind of range with some of Neubauer's rubbers, I guess.

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@kees - why dont you copy and paste the organised list and write in the newly added rubbers there?

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Blade: Barna Original Triumph Forehand Yasaka Razka Po Backhand Der-Materialspezialist Störkraft 0.8
http://www.instagram.com/dragontattooguy

Hi AA. They (Neubauer leopard, Stiga Clippa) are already there.

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I'm using the Dr. Zheng yellow sponge from Zeropong. That is much more dynamic than the HRS sponge. Not sure where you'd get it in Europe though. The orange Friendship sponge is also much more dynamic than HRS is. http://zeropong.com/xcart4/home.php?cat=276

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-- Andrew

Spintech All Around Penhold blade
Spinlord Keiler II 1.5 black
Nittaku FastArc G1 red

729 all around blade
Tibhar Grass D-Tec S Red
Nittaku FastArc G1 black

Andrew wrote:
Interesting! Overall, that combination should come pretty close to DHS 652, I think.

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AA's list, updated:


Andro Classic - 41 60 95
Andro Logo - 105 80 75
Andro revolution C.O.R. -107 82 70

Armstrong Attack 3 - 83 90 100
Armstrong Rosin - 91 81 90


Butterfly Challenger Attack - 97 70 70
Butterfly Flarestorm - 102 60 ?
Butterfly Orthodox - 43 58 80
Butterfly Raystorm - 98 78 80
Butterfly Speedy PO - ? ? ?

Dawei 388 C-1 95 92(?) 82

DHS PF4-651 - 92 55 72 [this is NOT the fast modern version; see below]
DHS 651 - 110 70 80 [this is the modern version, yellow sponge; available on Oneofakindtrading]
DHS 652 - 102 75 70
DHS 874 - 104 75 70
DHS Dragonow - 102 55 70
DHS Lightning 110 80 70
DHS Sharping - 102 60 70

Donic Baxster D 25 - 93 77 65
Donic Baxster F1-A - 100 75 70

Double Fish 820 EQ - 95 ? 82
Double Fish 820 A EQ - 99 ? 80

Dr. Neubauer Leopard - 88 78 75
Dr.Neubauer Pistol - 104 82 90
Dr.Neubauer Tornado Ultra - 102 86 72

Friendship 729 Dr.Evil - 70 80 85 / 60 55 90 acc. to Andrew
Friendship RITC 799 - 96 60 90
Friendship 802-1 - 92 78 88
Friendship RITC 802 - 96 60 85
Friendship 802-40 Special Supersoft Pro - 110 75 95

Globe 888 N-Out 110 60 60
Globe 889 - 100 75 85

Hallmark Magic Pips - 95 86 75

Joola Amigo - 95 70 70
Joola Snabb - 98 99 83
Joola Staccato - 97 78 75
Joola Tango Ultra - 100 75 70

Juic Offense - 93 90 100
Juic Offense Ultima - 96 87 88

Meteor 71-1 - 98 68 78
Meteor 71-2 - 94 58 82

Nittaku Hammond FA - 100 70 75
Nittaku Moristo - 107 75 ?

Stiga Clippa - 96 93 74
Stiga Radical ACS - 93 90 77
Stiga Royal - 93 87 75 / 97 72 75 acc. to Andrew


Tibhar Speedy Soft - 98 69 70
Tibhar Speedy Soft D.TecS - 105 80 75


TSP L-Catcher - 80 75 80
TSP Miracle - 40 60 85
TSP Spectol - 100 73 69
TSP Spectol 21 - 102 73 65
TSP Super Spin Pips - 93 75 72
TSP Super Spin Pips-21 - 96 78 70
TSP Super Spin Pips Chop - 88 79 85
TSP Tyranno - 98 76 70

Xiom Styx SP - 104 87 72

XuShaoFa 889 - 96 72 80

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Here's a way to combine the SP's on the two lists. Rubbers are now categorized by the type of play they are suitable for:

OFF+ (for all-out attack, mostly fast flat hitting)
OFF (for controlled attack, mostly drive&hit play)
ALL (for controlled play, mostly block&drive)
DEF+ (for defensive play, mostly blocking and counter-attack)
DEF (for defensive play, mostly blocking and chopping)

And within these categories they are ordered by brand, alphabetically, followed by the values for speed (increasing), spin and control.
I don't mean to suggest that this categorization is anything other than tentative. For instance, I feel that rubbers with relatively high speed and low spin are OFF+, whereas rubbers with maybe higher speed but also with more spin are OFF, because more spin will allow playing a more controlled game; but that is just an opinion.
Note: some rubbers will appear in more than one category, because they are versatile as such, or because they can be used differently with different sponge thickness (which is indicated in these case).




OFF+:

Andro Logo - 105 80 75
Andro revolution C.O.R. - 107 82 70

Butterfly Flarestorm - 102 60 ?

DHS Sharping - 102 60 70
DHS Dragonow - 102 55 70
DHS 874 - 104 75 70
DHS 651 - 110 70 80 [this is the modern version, yellow sponge; available on Oneofakindtrading]
DHS Lightning 110 80 70

Double Fish 820 A EQ - 99 ? 80

Dr. Neubauer Tornado Ultra - 102 86 72
Dr.Neubauer Pistol - 104 82 90

Friendship 802-40 Special Supersoft Pro - 110 75 95

Globe 888 N-Out 110 60 60

Joola Tango Ultra - 100 75 70

Meteor 71-1 - 98 68 78

Stiga Royal - 93 87 75 / 97 72 75 acc. to Andrew

Tibhar Speedy Soft - 98 69 70
Tibhar Speedy Soft D.TecS - 105 80 75

TSP Spectol - 100 73 69
TSP Spectol 21 - 102 73 65

Nittaku Hammond FA - 100 70 75
Nittaku Moristo - 107 75 ?

Xiom Styx SP - 104 87 72


OFF:

Butterfly Challenger Attack - 97 70 70
Butterfly Raystorm - 98 78 80

Dawei 388 C-1 - 95 92(?) 82

Donic Baxster D 25 - 93 77 65
Donic Baxster F1-A - 100 75 70

DHS 652 - 102 75 70
DHS PF4-651 - 92 55 72 [this is NOT the fast modern version; see below]

Double Fish 820 EQ - 95 ? 82

Friendship 802-1 - 92 78 88
Friendship RITC 799 - 96 60 90
Friendship RITC 802 - 96 60 85

Globe 889 - 100 75 85

Hallmark Magic Pips - 95 86 75

Joola Amigo - 95 70 70
Joola Staccato - 97 78 75
Joola Snabb - 98 99 83

Juic Offense - 93 90 100
Juic Offense Ultima - 96 87 88

Meteor 71-2 - 94 58 82

Stiga Royal - 93 87 75 / 97 72 75 acc. to Andrew
Stiga Radical ACS - 93 90 77
Stiga Clippa 96 93 74

TSP Super Spin Pips - 93 75 72
TSP Super Spin Pips-21 - 96 78 70
TSP Tyranno - 98 76 70
TSP Spectol - 100 73 69

XuShaoFa 889 - 96 72 80


ALL:

Armstrong Attack 3 - 83 90 100
Armstrong Rosin - 91 81 90

Donic Baxster D 25 - 93 77 65

dr. Neubauer Leopard 88 78 75

Friendship 802-1 - 92 78 88 (1.8 mm)
Friendship 799 - 96 60 90 (1.8 mm)

Juic Offense - 93 90 100 (1.5 mm)

Meteor 71-2 - 94 58 82

TSP Super Spin Pips Chop - 88 79 85


DEF+:

Armstrong Attack 3 - 83 90 100

Friendship 729 Dr.Evil - 70 80 85 / 60 55 90 acc. to Andrew
Friendship 802-1 - 92 78 88 (1.5 mm or less)
Friendship 799 - 96 60 90 (1.5 mm or less)

TSP L-Catcher - 80 75 80 (1.5 or 1.8 mm)
TSP Super Spin Pips Chop - 88 79 85


DEF:

Andro Classic - 41 60 95

Butterfly Orthodox - 43 58 80

Friendship 729 Dr.Evil - 70 80 85 / 60 55 90 acc. to Andrew

TSP Miracle - 40 60 85

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While I find that an intriguing list, I have to quibble with the categories. I think the blade you use and your strokes will make a big difference in how these rubbers are employed.

For example, I used to play an OFF+ game with Joola Tango Ultra or Snabb on a hard, triple carbon blade. That game was 90% penhold forehand attack with almost no blocking, maybe once per game.

I would serve short and then roll or loop the push return to set up an attack. I would attack first in order to stifle their attack. Short serves would be aggressively flipped, long ones would be rolled or looped, or if high smashed for a winner. If not, I'd look to smash on the 4th ball.

With this style, the grippier short pips allowed me to open up against low balls. The harder sponge and slightly less spinny Snabb, helped me gain consistency, so I could roll, not just loop so an OFF+ game was converted to an OFF game, I'd keep the first ball low and kill the next one.

Right now I'm playing a less aggressive game with 802-1 1.5 sponge on a slightly softer, but even faster blade. The big change is that I am serving long more aggressively and looking for 3rd ball attacks. If the return is attacked, I'm improving my defense by working on blocking more effectively. I might call this an OFF- game, but as blocking is not my goal, a 3rd ball kill is, I don't think it's an ALL game.

So the blade and the style of the player make a big difference in which rubber may be appropriate. A chart like Butterfly has that factors in blade speed might be useful in this, as 1.5 sponge on an OFF+ blade might be a more aggressive setup than max sponge on an ALL+ blade.

Or maybe this is another penhold/shakehand difference?

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-- Andrew

Spintech All Around Penhold blade
Spinlord Keiler II 1.5 black
Nittaku FastArc G1 red

729 all around blade
Tibhar Grass D-Tec S Red
Nittaku FastArc G1 black

Hmm. While it's true that I also feel that strokes influence the rubber's behavior, I guess the current categories are there merely as guides for a bit easier purchase decision.

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Viscaria. H2 Neo 2.15. Tenergy 05 1.9.

I find that DEF/ALL/OFF ratings are useless or misleading for any equipment, both rubber and blades. Why should someone tell you what kind of game a piece of equipment is suited for? I know a defensive player who uses a sardius. If i were a flat hitting penholder i would use a hard slow blade. Providing the physical characteristics ought to be enough, especially if you can give more details such as multiple speed numbers. Having a large independent list is still helpful though.

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Equipment: Matsushita PowerDefence, Spin Art 1.9 black, Xiying 979 ox red
Style: American | US Rating: barely 2000

Weird that Spectol is thought of as (one of the main) SP chopper rubber yet at the same time so fast / hard to control.