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Playing against them, they have strange spin reversal considering they are a spinny short pip.

I wish I could use them myself, but I am terrible with them. Somehow I think they suit penholders better. So I live with my Raystorm and hope I will be able to get it for awhile to come.

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Baal wrote:
Playing against them, they have strange spin reversal considering they are a spinny short pip.

I wish I could use them myself, but I am terrible with them. Somehow I think they suit penholders better. So I live with my Raystorm and hope I will be able to get it for awhile to come.


do you mean superspinpips? and what pips is your wife talking about( hard to play against)


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Thanks, Flemming. I just love pipsplay, that must be it. Driven by emotion and all that. I don't know what rubber Chen played with, though. Would he have played with TSP when part of the Chinese national team? That would surprise me. Maybe Andrew knows.



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bbkon wrote:
Kees wrote:
Thanks, Flemming. I just love pipsplay, that must be it. Driven by emotion and all that. I don't know what rubber Chen played with, though. Would he have played with TSP when part of the Chinese national team? That would surprise me. Maybe Andrew knows.



889 was the mainstay in the 80's , chen jing,chen longcan, lily yip early days, wang tao


I also heard Chen played with 889, but in the VCD I have it looks more like 799, horizontally arranged pips, so the 889 might have been a different period.

Now he plays with TSP, I think Wang Tao did as well later in his career.

Baal was talking about Stiga Radical which his wife plays with and I play with now.

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Attacker wrote:
Wow, what a great thread !

I still play my bh with inverted techniques as I'm convinced changing to the real SP techniques would increase the marging
for error... Now and then I also think about to switch back to inverted.. as I'm almost back on my former level ( 20 years before ) and have become less suceptible for spinny balls......

conclusion:

- stay with SP now ( still less suceptible for incoming spin ) and with adjusted arm/hand movement I can produce also SP striking balls
- stay with inverted technique ( hard to change .. with regards to the fact I'm playing in a league and the team mates rely on my contributions )
- use max. 2,0 mm , if possible also a little bit less
- use soft sponge for better control


Hi Attacker,

do you have a link to your video? I would like to see how you play with sp.
I am also deciding whether I should stay w/ inverted technique (just switched to sp for my bh) or should I force myself to change. I'm also finding that changing to the real SP techniques would increase the marging for error, at least for now.

Also, when playing short pip like inverted. How do you adjust your strokes when returning top and underspin balls?

Thanks.


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agooding2 wrote:
I also heard Chen played with 889, but in the VCD I have it looks more like 799, horizontally arranged pips, so the 889 might have been a different period.

Now he plays with TSP, I think Wang Tao did as well later in his career.

how you can tell that is 799 and not 802?


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kentyu wrote:
Hi Attacker,

do you have a link to your video?

http://www.youtube.com/user/sabolindale

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bbkon wrote:
agooding2 wrote:
I also heard Chen played with 889, but in the VCD I have it looks more like 799, horizontally arranged pips, so the 889 might have been a different period.

Now he plays with TSP, I think Wang Tao did as well later in his career.

how you can tell that is 799 and not 802?


It's the lighter red of 799, and looks like the same pattern. I could be wrong though.

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I'm new in this "short pimples" world so please forgive me for possibly stupid questions ;-) I've been playing for like three years now and I was searching for something for my forhand (on a Stiga Allround Classic blade) - I don't play topspin at all, I needed something as spinless as possible, yet capable of fast attack and good blocking. I have bought a RITC 802 rubber (1.5mm) and while it's indeed excellent for blocking, it's almost as spinny as some inverted rubbers. Which is probably good for an easy transition from inverted rubber to short pimples but not as good for my straight attack. Are there any other relatively cheap short pimple rubbers which are even less spinny? I somehow don't feel like trying medium pimple rubbers as I feel the play would already be too different/difficult compared to inverted rubbers...


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Mr.Scully wrote:
I'm new in this "short pimples" world so please forgive me for possibly stupid questions ;-) I've been playing for like three years now and I was searching for something for my forhand (on a Stiga Allround Classic blade) - I don't play topspin at all, I needed something as spinless as possible, yet capable of fast attack and good blocking. I have bought a RITC 802 rubber (1.5mm) and while it's indeed excellent for blocking, it's almost as spinny as some inverted rubbers. Which is probably good for an easy transition from inverted rubber to short pimples but not as good for my straight attack. Are there any other relatively cheap short pimple rubbers which are even less spinny? I somehow don't feel like trying medium pimple rubbers as I feel the play would already be too different/difficult compared to inverted rubbers...


Pluto is easy to use compared to most medium pips and is not very spinny at all, the shots are much flatter than 802. 799 is another option.

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agooding2 wrote:
Mr.Scully wrote:
I'm new in this "short pimples" world so please forgive me for possibly stupid questions ;-) I've been playing for like three years now and I was searching for something for my forhand (on a Stiga Allround Classic blade) - I don't play topspin at all, I needed something as spinless as possible, yet capable of fast attack and good blocking. I have bought a RITC 802 rubber (1.5mm) and while it's indeed excellent for blocking, it's almost as spinny as some inverted rubbers. Which is probably good for an easy transition from inverted rubber to short pimples but not as good for my straight attack. Are there any other relatively cheap short pimple rubbers which are even less spinny? I somehow don't feel like trying medium pimple rubbers as I feel the play would already be too different/difficult compared to inverted rubbers...


Pluto is easy to use compared to most medium pips and is not very spinny at all, the shots are much flatter than 802. 799 is another option.


799 was my first choice (as I had it briefly for testing) but it was out of stock everywhere and the description of 802 was "spin - 6" compared to 799's "spin - 7"...

Never heard of Pluto before but there's one on ebay, very cheap but says "Pluto is fast, produces heavy spin and very flat trajectories"... if it produces heavy spin, isn't it also sensitive to incoming spin? Or does it behave more like long pimple rubbers? These "medium pimple rubbers" are new to me, I don't think I know anybody playing with them.


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Do a earch, there's some reviews of Pluto on this site. It spins okay for serves, but plays much flatter and reacts less to spin than the other short pips I've tried.

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Mr.Scully wrote:

Never heard of Pluto before but there's one on ebay, very cheap but says "Pluto is fast, produces heavy spin and very flat trajectories"... if it produces heavy spin, isn't it also sensitive to incoming spin? Or does it behave more like long pimple rubbers? These "medium pimple rubbers" are new to me, I don't think I know anybody playing with them.


Pluto is a med pip but plays a lot like a SP, you won't have any problems getting use to it. The marketing material is rubbish. It is one of the least spinny SP out there. It is not very sensitive to spin, but can not be compared to an LP. I.e. you have to still be careful when returning spinny serves etc... You can put a little bit of spin on serves but nothing compared to a normal inverted.

Donic twister is another non sensitive MP, that plays more like an SP, but it is dearer.
Pistol is a little bit more spinny than pluto but nothing drastic.
If you want something faster than all the above, that is spinnier than Pistol but less than 802, the K1 is a cheap option.

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Thanks for your advices - I have tried Pluto, it's indeed almost spinless and it does cause problems to the opponent but it's incredibly slow. I bought the 1.5mm version (the only available version on ebay) and it's sooo slow... it's very good for blocking but for me it's very inaccurate when I want to attack from slow/dead balls as I have to push against them a lot. I'm still basically an amateur and this doesn't seem to be suitable for a simple final attack, at least not for me.

So I returned back to RITC 802 (which I already got used a bit to). Are there any short-pips-out rubbers of a similar (high) speed but with slightly less spin? Would RITC 799 help? I had it only for two weeks or something so I don't remember the differences compared to 802.


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Mr.Scully wrote:
Thanks for your advices - I have tried Pluto, it's indeed almost spinless and it does cause problems to the opponent but it's incredibly slow. I bought the 1.5mm version (the only available version on ebay) and it's sooo slow... it's very good for blocking but for me it's very inaccurate when I want to attack from slow/dead balls as I have to push against them a lot. I'm still basically an amateur and this doesn't seem to be suitable for a simple final attack, at least not for me.

So I returned back to RITC 802 (which I already got used a bit to). Are there any short-pips-out rubbers of a similar (high) speed but with slightly less spin? Would RITC 799 help? I had it only for two weeks or something so I don't remember the differences compared to 802.


Two options, one is to get some faster sponge for the Pluto. I put some Dr. Zheng Orange 1.5 and that speeded up the pips significantly. You could also put the Friendship orange sponge on there which is quite fast.

Another option is Double Happiness 651, much faster than 799 which is rather soft.

Regular Globe 889 (not 889-2) is also pretty spinless and fast, but again it depends on the sponge. Pips are pretty smooth so it gives a pretty flat ball.

Usually it's pretty easy to separate sponge on Chinese rubbers from the topsheets, or you can buy them separately or together from Zeropong or Coles in the U.S. or Japsko in Europe. Not sure if One of a Kind does this in Australia or not.

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