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Author:  pongcrazy [ 09 Jul 2007, 00:11 ]
Post subject:  Short Pips - sponge or not sponge
I am just starting to be interested in pips play and want to ask all you experienced SP players what the advantages and disadvantages of playing OX vs sponge are. Thanks so much!

pongcrazy
Author:  agooding2 [ 09 Jul 2007, 14:29 ]
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Sponge, preferably soft and between 1.5-1.8 mm in thickness will give you more speed and spin. No sponge will be much slower and will give great control on blocks and touch shots.

I find no sponge too slow for offenisive play even when using a very fast blade, but some people like to play that way. I'd try a thin sponge first.

-- Andrew
Author:  pongcrazy [ 10 Jul 2007, 23:15 ]
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Thanks Andrew - I figured I could count on you!
Author:  agooding2 [ 11 Jul 2007, 04:02 ]
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You're welcome, I've been going down in thickness since starting with short pips, used to use 2.2 or 2.0, went down to 1.8 tried 1.5 and 1.3 sponges on the Pluto recently and liked the control it gives on blocks and feel rolling the ball.

Li Jia Wei, top female player from Singapor eutedly uses 1.0 sponge on her Spectol, so I'll keep experimenting with thinner sponges as they still work.

-- Andrew
Author:  pongcrazy [ 15 Jul 2007, 08:21 ]
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I glued a sheet of 802 OX to a Donic Franz GT-R blade (renamed Persson PowerSPEED) and it is certainly fun to play with, I'm just getting used to the adjustment from inverted on my BH, but I like the touch when pushing backspin and the ability to flip backspin! It is a very fast 7 ply and you are right - at the table is a nice controlled speed and about 4 feet off you need to add just a little umph to your stroke it to get the ball moving. The blade weighs in at 103 so it's great for an OX BH because it is lighter than having inverted on both sides. I like around 165 total weight and it's right there.

pongcrazy
Author:  agooding2 [ 16 Jul 2007, 22:14 ]
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I've got a Donic Powerspeed also, in penhold though it's lighter at 90 grams.

It works well for hardbat with 889-2 being fast and high throw, though I tend to use my heavier Mazunov with Yasaka Cobalt more.

-- Andrew
Author:  azuan [ 30 Sep 2017, 19:05 ]
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agooding2 wrote:
You're welcome, I've been going down in thickness since starting with short pips, used to use 2.2 or 2.0, went down to 1.8 tried 1.5 and 1.3 sponges on the Pluto recently and liked the control it gives on blocks and feel rolling the ball.

Li Jia Wei, top female player from Singapor eutedly uses 1.0 sponge on her Spectol, so I'll keep experimenting with thinner sponges as they still work.

-- Andrew


Hi.before this im a long pips (ox) player. Now i want to playing med pips. My playing style is close to the table,hitting,blocking,control and counter-hit. Which one the best thickness sponge good for me?? I want a more disruptive and deception on med pips..
Author:  agooding2 [ 30 Sep 2017, 23:19 ]
Post subject:  Re: Short Pips - sponge or not sponge
For more disruption, keep it at OX. You can do up to 1.0 sponge for more attacking control.

If you're used to OX though start with that.
Author:  nathanso [ 02 Oct 2017, 14:30 ]
Post subject:  Re: Short Pips - sponge or not sponge
OX SP is very unusual and not commonly used. In general, the thinner the sponge the more sink effect you'll get on flat hits, but speed and spin will be less compared to thicker sponges.
Author:  LordCope [ 23 Oct 2017, 17:47 ]
Post subject:  Re: Short Pips - sponge or not sponge
I used Dr Evil on my FH for a season or so. It was very effective - very insensitive to spin, and hits were extremely skiddy. However, it's hard work to generate speed. It's possible, but it takes effort, which can be saved by using a sponged rubber. I also found Dr Evil difficult to use to generate much spin on serves, but my technique was much worse then, so that might not be a problem now.

I've used sponges from 1.5 to 2.15/Max. On the whole I like ~1.8-2.0 as it seems to be the ideal compromise for being able to chop (very easy with 1.5, quite tricky with Max), and speed, without being too bouncy.

Unless you have experience with hardbat play, I'd probably recommend sponge, about 2.0mm. My standard recommendation is regular 802 with orange sponge in 2.0mm. Pretty much the perfect all-round SP rubber, and a great way to give it a try for very little investment.
Author:  ChasFox [ 14 Dec 2017, 03:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: Short Pips - sponge or not sponge
having recently been trying out an old sheet of Spectol 1.2mm black, although good for blocks and chops it lacked a bit of speed and was difficult to generate much top spin compared say to 802.40 in 1.5mm.

How much is this likely to be due to the thin sponge which is probably bottoming out. As the pips are not that grippy and the sponge is very soft, I believe that the sponge thickness on Spectol is a key determiner of speed and how much top or backspin can be imparted. One review I read mentioned that the 1.8mm imparted noticeably more back spin on chops than 1.5mm so I assume the same will apply re topspin.

802.40 on the other hand has gripper pips so thinner sponges can still give good spin especially on slow balls where Spectol has not much grip
Author:  ian demagi [ 09 Jan 2018, 00:55 ]
Post subject:  Re: Short Pips - sponge or not sponge
It depends on what style you want to play. If you want to be an offensive player ala Tang Peng, you probably want at least 1.8 mm sponge and one of the stickier /grippier pips out Joola Tango, Stiga Radical, or TSP spin pips, if you want short pips defense you probably want to play with pips out with chop sponge (Yuto Muramatsu). If chop blocking and disruption is your thing you probably want long pips with little to no sponge. read the short treatise on pips out rubber.


Ian
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