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PostPosted: 14 Nov 2018, 21:59 
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What are your thoughts on spin short pips vs. balanced short pips (but not normal pips)?

I'm currently using Butterfly Impartial XB 1.7mm (which is a balanced type for straight up lifting/soft-looping and then straight forward hitting/smashing/blocking/countering) on my forehand as a penholder and my game currently is gravitating towards a close to mid-distance table game using predominantly RPB to pressure the opponent and then close out points with a direct smash using my forehand pips.

My future set-up (after Christmas) is looking to be Short Pips of forehand and Inverted on backhand (looking at using Yasaka Rakza 7 Soft 1.8mm on backhand).

After spending 3 to 4 years struggling with inverted and then switching to pips I don't plan on going back to inverted but i've encountered some challenges using balanced pips and i'm considering switching to a spin pip based rubber for the forehand. Here is why:

1. My forehand strokes tend to favor a more linear, horizontal stroke when I want to close out points. My racket angle is more straight on with the ball so Butterfly Impartial XB 1.7mm has been a blessing as I can smash balls to close out points. Unfortunately, I don't have as many gears as I do with inverted rubber (obviously).

2. Playing against males who are stronger and more well trained than the average player tend to force me back to mid-distance where the balanced short pips tends to struggle and I was considering getting a spin pip like Butterfly Impartial XS 1.7mm or 1.9mm so I can stay in the rally to some extent at mid-distance.

3. I have a habit of playing my forehand like an inverted rubber sheet since I have developed many habits from practice and playing so maybe a spin pip rubber would be an 'okay' fit.

Overall, I believe that potentially switching to a spin based pip might allow me to survive in rallies that are held at mid-distance and I can still do similar things with my penhold pushes, flicks, blocks, and smashes (but they would all be influenced by spin more). I think that the switch for spin potential (at close and mid-distance) with spin pips will be beneficial as I can easily adjust my stroke to accommodate for spin when smashing, countering, pushing, flicking, and blocking.

Let me know what you guys think! (I know that this was lengthy lol)


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PostPosted: 14 Nov 2018, 22:30 
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I'm using moristo SP (spinny pip) on my backhand. It's not effective from mid-distance. I've only played SP for six months, but imo if you can't stay close to the table then you can't play SP. So fwiw my advice would be to use whichever SP maximizes your close-in game, and try to be so quick that you never go back.


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PostPosted: 14 Nov 2018, 22:35 
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BRS wrote:
I'm using moristo SP (spinny pip) on my backhand. It's not effective from mid-distance. I've only played SP for six months, but imo if you can't stay close to the table then you can't play SP. So fwiw my advice would be to use whichever SP maximizes your close-in game, and try to be so quick that you never go back.


Okay, thank you sir!

I'm trying my best to up my speed and adjust to the SP playing style as best I can sir and I plan on training more to adjust to that style. I will keep your advice in mind.


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I whole-heartly recommend spin-leaning pips regardless of distance from table. Actually thinking about the Impartial XS once my current is worn out.

Nevertheless, I second BRS regarding forcing yourself to stay close. While you can loop mid-distance with spinny pips, you will always be at an intrinsic disadvantage. A fast block close to the table will take you much further than any kind of short pips loop.

As a rule, never back away so much that you can't reach the table with your racket while leaning in.

Also, not to be offensive, but I found the PG7 to be a bit too flexible for a 7-ply. Before changing rubbers, I recommend you try something a little more solid. Samsonov force, clippers etc are better suited for pips.


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PostPosted: 15 Nov 2018, 01:36 
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lasta wrote:
I whole-heartly recommend spin-leaning pips regardless of distance from table. Actually thinking about the Impartial XS once my current is worn out.

Nevertheless, I second BRS regarding forcing yourself to stay close. While you can loop mid-distance with spinny pips, you will always be at an intrisic disadvantage. A fast block close to the table will take you much further than any kind of short pips loop.

As a rule, never back away so much that you can't reach the table with your racket while leaning in.


You're right.

I like that rule lol

Thank you for your input sir!

(I love the Impartial XB sheet and Impartial XS must feel like a dream haha)


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