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I've seen a few posts recently in favour of early timing when chopping, I was always coached that the later you could take it the better.

Do you strongly feel one way is right or wrong?

Have you any thoughts of advantages or disadvantages each timing point presents?

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I too was taught a late timing point, to allow spin on the ball to subside. But that was with inverted, there may be advantages with certain material to chop whilst spin is high and 'give it back'.

In terms of advantages for earlier timing, less recovery time for the attacker (who is playing the bigger stroke) and also, at lower levels, we often play in venues that have insufficient space to go back far enough to take the ball late.

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I was taught it was easier to float with material later, that it was easier to keep the ball lower, that it was easier to deal with spin and that the extra time it gave attackers was more of an advantage than a disadvantage as it was more disruptive to their normal rhythmn. It does require good footwork to play this way though. I do seem to be more able to 'get away' with taking it earlier on my backhand though.

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I think its horses for course. Depends on the ball you receive in terms of speed and spin, the opponent strengths and weaknesses and your own, and also the properties of the material you're using. I think if you can cut the time to react for some opponents it can be an advantage, while giving others too much time to think about things can be equally an advantage. Chopping early can by definition become more of a push or a chop-block though, so I guess it depends on just how early we are talking here Anti. Once it becomes more of a push or chop-block, the issue of angles becomes more prominent too.

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One advantage of chopping late is more possibility for spin manipulation. Because you're often chopping far away from and below the level of the table when you take it late, it's easier to disguise how much spin you're putting (or not putting) on the ball, in other words.

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in a way , better chopping later with more frictioned rubber and chopping earlier with less frictioned rubber(best with non-frictioned OX )
also depends on the rally...
imagining against Liqin, Ma Long , Kreanga or Jike I'd prefer to chop late in (nearly)both case with a frictioned long pimple with sponge (1.0 mm. and more, which gives me best options at the end)...

It depends what you are chopping with...with some long pips you can actually chop "on the rise"
(Feint Long 3 -probably the best at this- IMO). With SP's you better wait until some of the spin wears off...down around your ankles


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I think it also depends on what kind of return you want next. If you are very confident in your defence and can go on chopping for 20 more returns I guess the best way to do it is as far away from the table as possible. But if you want to set your opponent under preassure and move him (or her) around in order to get a weak return for you to attack, you might be better of with early chops. If you compare GIONIS to CHTCHETININE or Joo, they all chop very different (and they attack very different).

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If you compare GIONIS to CHTCHETININE or Joo, they all chop very different (and they attack very different).

they both chop late...finding Liu Song , Lo Chuen Tsung, Akerstrom chop earlier more( with no sponge or 0.6 mm sponge) ...

but buy getting there earlier you are giving less time for the oponent to recover thus putting pressure on with chopping

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When I'm forced to chop, I find it easier to put a really good return on it by taking it as late as possible. If I take it too early, I find that my returns end up higher and easier for my opponents to return. Maybe that's just my poor technique coming through. Of course, I have a faster than normal blade for a chopper, so perhaps that has a big hand in it.

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Here's Ruwen Filus, a guy who definitely "chops early." (He also twiddle a good deal of the time).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT5TazmF ... ll&list=WL

He usually takes the ball sternum high. Filus uses Feint Long 3 probably the best rubber to do this do to the buttery soft pips.

Here's Panagiotis Gionis: (He used Feint Long 2 and takes the ball pretty early as well)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJZzNpO3krY

Here's Joo Se Hyuk (He lets the ball drop a little lower-compare it with his forehand (when he chops, the inverted chop is much lower).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEksvoKM ... re=related

Chen Weixing (using Curl PR1) still taking the ball pretty early.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odbvUJe5bx4

Here is Evgueni Chtchetinine who takes the ball a little lower (and is attacking more-but still less than others).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OElj8YnJOaQ

Finally short pips chopper Hou Yingchao (who takes the ball lower with the short pips and some times counters rather than chops with his short pips)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuW4G3CtX0s


I think the trend at the world level is to take the ball higher to create a powerful chop that skims the net, touches the table and drives forward, rather than the old chop that "sat up spinning like a gyroscope and stopped its forward momentum).

For mere mortals like me I try to create the same shot but miss them much more or cant get into position to execute the stroke. I am alos not going to pay $75.00 per sheet of Tenergy either...

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