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Which technique and rubber is best for putting away high kill shots loaded with incoming underspin?

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Can't say what's best Tommy but Rasant works pretty well. As for technique it will depend on where the ball is but in general I'd take it at a comfortable height a bit above shoulder height and a bit of wrist snap into the ball.

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Just use your regular smash technique but open your blade up to the appropriate angle (depending on how much backspin is on the ball).

It is a flat stroke so the rubber you use is really unimportant.

Some rubbers bottom out real easy, so you can hit straight through and require little adjustment for spin, but some of the firm rubbers do require quite some adjustment for spin.
If it's real high, I tend to hit it as hard as I can, as the rubber effect is less. I'd like to hear carbonman's thoughts on this though...as it may not be the best option.

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Yes I agree. Hit hard and flat against a high backspin ball and it really doesn't matter what rubber you use (although you could argue that SP or thin sponge makes the task fractionally easier).

Phew! Thanks carbonman!

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Lol - I'm certain you know what you are talking about!

I agree it's all about technique mostly (swing, blade angle and proper power transfer) and lots of training. A really heavy chop is quite hard to kill.

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Well it made sense to me, and it seems to work for me, but I'm not so sure that coaches teach it that way.

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A lot depends on the depth. I rarely smash long high chops (I prefer to loop them) but will smash shorter high chops.

Interestingly, Takashima frequently chopped high but those chops were almost always deep and, as such, were relatively safe.

At first I also tend to hit those as hard as I can, and I miss...

After a few of those mistakes I usually realise that the full force means I can't control the stroke properly. Then I focus on technique, flat hit and aim, and the smash is both faster and better placed than the high power smash.

Also remember that when you hit the ball high, it will also bounce high, and stay in the air for longer (more time for the receiver to try for a return). I try to hit the ball at shoulder height or below, not higher. That also helps with control. A tennis style smash really isn't an advantage in TT.

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Wow, lots of great advice coming in. Much appreciated and I hope it's helpful to others, who have trouble putting away these shots!

I should mention, in my case, a kill shot is more difficult as I have nerve damage and missing half the muscle on my right side. As a result, I have trouble extending my arm away from my body and hitting forward over the ball. I tend to either punch or swipe across my body — increasing the chance of hitting underspin directly into the net. I need to find a way to compensate technique wise and also rubber wise . . . hoping to find a FH rubber that I can cheat a little with. I even thought about throwing Dr. Evil on there, but that would effect other aspects of my game, which are strong.

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use changing gears...for example: somebody is standing front of me and the distance between us is 80 cm. and I'm going to knock him down with a direct punch right on his face..the technique is: imagine a second person right behind the first one, lets say 1.40 cm far from you and hit the first one's face with a feeling of completely ignoring his existance and your aim is the second persons face right behind him..you just hit to this imaginary second one (distance1.40 m.)..karate men use this technique when they break bricks..they ignore the first 3,4 bricks and focus ( direct the energy) on the last one, even maybe behind the last one, just to the earth...this tecnique brings different kind of body- muscle- nerve coordination than aiming and hitting the first one...

so crush the ball...really enter into it...imagine another one 40-50 cm. behind the first one and hit with that feeling ( change gear)...practicing and exploring..

I like Deva's mentality. THAT is how you hit through something to ensure a follow through.

My advice would be to...

1) Watch this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcOrSWr2HLU

2) Eat the stuff

3) Watch this... or read it... http://www.newgy.com/TTCommunity/Archiv ... html#SMASH

4) Be sure to open the blade a lot, swing forward, hit the ball when it is high, and follow through more upwards vs increasingly heavier underspin.

You do not need to waste energy trying to lift the ball and overcome and add to the spin and have left over power to drive the ball. That isn't realistic for many, so HITTING when ball is high is the answer. It is an awkward shot at first. You have to open the blade more than you would for a drive, a lot more. That is not natural at first. You have to follow thru more upwards vs heavier spin, that is kinda instinctive when you think about what you do to make a SLOW loop vs underspin.

Just get in front of a robot set to give you high heavy underspin or a partner to give you those balls you need to practice.

After you do it a few times successfully, it really isn't such a hard shot to do. The trick part it to CORRECTLY read the spin. If the ball is high, you got some margin of error. If the ball is deeper, your margin for error decreases.

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I'm assuming heavy underspin is coming off a heavy chop?

Why not try this?

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