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Im having trouble returning short topspin/sidespin serves and was wondering if there is a way to effectively push it back? Ive read that flicking it back is the most effective return, but i cant do it well especially on the backhand side (i play one sided penhold)? Is there a way to return the ball with topspin by pushing it? Is blocking it also an option? If so, where should it be making contact on my racket?

Centreline you can BH Banana flick it if you are in position. FH is much harder, but you can graze over the ball with a very open blade and impart some topspin out to the BH side. A push will result in no spin or underspin.

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I forgot to put in my post that i play one sided penhold. Would a forehand banana flick work? Would it be effective to block the ball?

An RPB flick would probably work, not sure about FH given I don't play PH. I know guys who do, but can't picture how they'd deal with it. Best for someone who plays PH to answer. Sorry, I don't want to lead you astray.

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Yes. You can chop down the back of the ball as opposed to under it, your timing must be spot on because you don't have room to go down too far. Often your racket hits the table with this. It takes practice because it feels alien to push down so hard.

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I used to play JPEN when I was lower level and I remember this problem well. (One sided jpen)

The only thing you can really do is step around and FH flick, drive it, or chop block.

The the flick is hard because you have to run around your BH. The chop block isn't good because it gives them a chance to attack unless u really chop it.

The best stroke to do is the drive...kind of a hard block. Unfortunately your arm gets put in a weird position because you have to move your elbow to the toward your abdomin in order to get your bat at the right angle, So place it well.

The thing our best penholder does is he really torques his body towards the BH and uses his body to generate more whip. If I find video I'll post.

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Block, counter sidespin block

https://youtu.be/EnOLNzOXjvk

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As Reborn said, a push SHOULD always result in no-spin or underspin; never topspin. However, if I understand this concept correctly, let's say a player gives you underspin and you're using an lp with good passive reversal, for example, a frictionless; if you push it back, you should give back topspin I believe. However, the topspin is not GENERATED. The lp would take the opponents underspin, let the passive reversal do it's work, and topspin would be sent back. Sorry if this was irrelevant, and plz correct me if I'm wrong? And everyone who posted here gave excellent advice, so you should listen to them.

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I was just about to say that, but I think that sort of shot with an LP classifies as a "bump".
Of course, if you hit the ball with a VERY small about of backspin, the ball will have topspin after it hits the table (as the friction of the table will generate topspin), but realistically:
1. That's hard to do effectively.
2. There'll be that little topspin on the ball that the opponent will treat it as flat anyway.
3. The push isn't really generating the spin.

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True! I should keep note of that.

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It sounds to me like returning topspin on the backhand of a one-sided penhold with a push would be very tricky - the racket for a push has to be fairly open, but you can still do it with shakehands, but it seems as though if it's on a penhold backhand, then the racket is very, very open, and therefore prone to popping the ball up high. My idea would be to block, as you suggest, and try to do it short to their backhand. The other option is to stand a little further to your backhand side when you're receiving, and you might have time to get behind it a little bit more and play a more natural penhold shot. Hope that helps.

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Guys..I don't think he plays LP.

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LOL. I knew that, I just thought it would be fun to go a bit off topic to answer the actual title of the topic. Sorry for being irrelevant

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Ditto, I was only answering Dan's comments: I made another comment referring to the OP. Even so, only the first sentence of my first post was about LP.
I think by definition the push is a backspin stroke.

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LB, can you please explain how a chop down on the ball, albeit at the back, will create TOP-spin? That does not compute in my head

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