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I think that what LB meant was that he was responding directly to the op's post. The op asked if there as a way to push the ball back against topspin; if you look at LB's response, it makes perfect sense. To me at least
Hope that helped!

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Lol after reading all the responses I feel like I'm a little out of loop lol...

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somewhat cheating, definitely not a push, and only relevant when away from table,

It a somewhat uncommon shot called, a pull.

we can do chop / push motion before the ball touching our blade, and quickly retract the motion just before the ball touching our blade. The blade hit the ball on the way up or the way back motion. Best done below the table.

It can be done on the table, but hard, takes skill, and, when the opponent read it, that means easy loop kill for him. When he not, His / Her face is priceless


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Isn't that a "chop-block" rather than a push? I can sort of see where you can get topspin out of it, same as you'd get topspin from a block against topspin.

Iskandar

I'm sensing a little confusion, BeGo! I meant you can play a push shot with LP against heavy backspin, and it will return with topspin due to the existing spin on the ball. However, I would classify that as a "bump".

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my bad,

i did not means to disagree with your post,

just want to show that we can disguise a pull as a push, to generate top spin.

I blame the Indonesian way of thinking me.

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lol, all good. I think the misinterpretation was on my part! Sorry about that!
I realise that you meant your "pull" shot was somewhat cheating, not the bump! Though, to be honest, the bump is kind of cheating, but it is a push stroke.

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The most common thing to do is flip / counter / block the ball back. However your opponent will be step back and be ready for an attack if that's all you can do. There are other shots to include in your game to mix things up. You can try blocking it and taking the spin off the ball to produce a flat, deep ball. This is almost what people do when they 'push' topspin.

One thing I really like to do is graze the ball very finely, going against the spin. Exactly on it's equator. It's almost like a slight stab and I use a lot of hand and writst motion to generate the bat speed. I can place the ball short or long and it often results in a funny bounce that my opponent isn't expecting. This takes a buttload of practice.

Another thing is to use the opponents spin to send the ball back. The contact is the same as explained above, but instead of going against the spin, I am just letting the spin react to my racket and send itself back over the table. Once again, buttloads of practice. These two techniques require extremely fine contact and unintuitive bat angles. The bat angle is almost 90 degrees left or right (depending on handedness), with the tip of the bat pointing towards the net, and the face is rotated slightly towards the table - depending on what combination of topspin / sidespin of course.

I misinterpreted the original post too as he asked if a topspin ball could be pushed back (which would be underspin). Imparting top spin isn't a "push" anymore. Would just be a slow flick waiting to be rocketed back into your face.