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G'day all

Here's the scenario.

You have a racquet with two rubbers that have distinct characteristics.
You've been using red for forehand and black for backhand all match.
Then, in the middle of the rally, just as you've delivered your shot, you put the racquet under the table and twirl the rubbers over.

Sure, the rubbers have different colours so you can't trick your opponent visually, but with such a short time to prepare, when you bring out your racquet for the next shot and the rubbers have changed, wouldn't it still help confuse and bewilder him/her?

I've never actually tried this, to be honest, but have anyone out there done so under serious competition conditions? And does it work? Or does it just confuse you more than the opponent and lead to errors?

Twiddling is rampant among the pip players on these forums.

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Chasse Patate

Oh, that's what twiddling means! lol
I'm slowly catching on...

Yes, it's like a desease. Once it really gets you, you'll never get rid of it. Also, it doesn't need to be done under the table. Here are some downloadable examples of smooth/fast match twiddling. If you don't watch for it you'll constantly miss it.

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I like to hide the bat behind me when doing a forhand serve. They concentrate so hard on which side is coming out, they miss even easy serves.
When recieving serve, I hide the bat under the table sometimes. Same effect, one more thing for them to think about.
With Seemiller grip, I can use either side on backhand serves without twiddling.

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Shakehand, left handed.
Blade, Yinhe, W-1
Forhand, H-3 National
Backhand, Sriver FX Max

Hmm, I think it might be illegal to hide the bat like that. I think the rules state that the bat has to be visible from the start of the serve. That is, as soon as the ball is tossed.

I had the habit of having the bat twisted around my back at the beginning too, until someone pointed it out to me.

my 05-06 ittf book doesn't say anything on it.

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Chasse Patate

Can hide the bat, Not the ball. I think your friend got you. LOL

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Shakehand, left handed.
Blade, Yinhe, W-1
Forhand, H-3 National
Backhand, Sriver FX Max

So Hookshot, do you have pips on the FH or BH side? I do like the idea of using either rubber to receive on BH - gives some rather nice attacking BH loop options if serves are loose

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LKT Instinct. FH Kokutaku Tuple 007 2.0mm black; BH Dawei 388D-1 long pips 1.0mm
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I have either LP, SP or anti on the back side depending which blade I use. I don't know if you are familar with Seemiller grip but on backhand, I use the same side as forhand to attack. I can just roll my arm over and use the back to push, block, chop, and even hit. When in a pushing war, I can wait till the last instant and Loop Drive backhand. If they don't see it coming and are still close to the table, they are done. The backswing is VERY short like RPB.
Very effective.
If someone can tell me how to put pics on here, I will post pics of my grip.

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Shakehand, left handed.
Blade, Yinhe, W-1
Forhand, H-3 National
Backhand, Sriver FX Max

Had a bit of a go with Seemiller grip today - ended up with a sore hand and lots of miss-hit balls I think I will need some coaching somehow to work this out. I get the idea about using same rubber to attack on both hands, and that a roll of the forearm brings the reverse of bat to bear when on BH side, but can't quite work out just how to hit the ball to attack on the BH side (with front face - ie FH - of bat).

Not sure how to add an image though. You could upload them to a website if you have one, then just give us the URL here.[/img]

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LKT Instinct. FH Kokutaku Tuple 007 2.0mm black; BH Dawei 388D-1 long pips 1.0mm
a posse ad esse

go here
http://www.gregsttpages.com/videos/freevideos.html

and watch this video
04/05/2007- 2005 Australian Open Teams Match - Giovanni Cnapich (WA) vs Chamara Fernando (Vic B) - Games 1-3 (47MB), Games 4-5 (31MB)

Giovanni Cnapich is a seemiller

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Chasse Patate

rpb backswing is longer than you think, as the blade is so closed.

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Chasse Patate

Had another go at Seemiller after watching a couple of vids. Pulled out my old Stiga allround wood which has a short pip rubber on one side, and the other side is temporarily vacant awaiting delivery of some long pips to try. Anyway, because I only had one rubber, I was forced to keep working at it. Got the 2 willing sons to have a hit with me (at different times). Lost the first couple of games then slowly started to get the hang of it. I'm starting to like this I think. Tried some twiddling from shakehand and that wasn't too bad, but then neither son was hitting the ball too hard so I had time. Then went to a Seemiller grip and persisted. Its better - can't wait to get the LP on the other side and go scare some club members!

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LKT Instinct. FH Kokutaku Tuple 007 2.0mm black; BH Dawei 388D-1 long pips 1.0mm
a posse ad esse

Hi Andreafox,
Note that I use a "Modified Seemiller grip".
I tried with the thumb wrapped around the handle first but backhand suffered.
I use thumb on one edge and first finger on the other edge, three fingers around the handle. This let me have more touch and use the wrist more. The wrist works in line with forarm travel so you can really plaster those backhands.
Thats why I want to get the pics on here. I am working on it. ( not a putr whiz )
Using the backside LPs or SPs to push back serves is good but flipping them with the backside works well too for variety. I can't hit near as hard like that but even a gental hit with LP or SP can do strange things to the spin. The anti is much more predictable for the opponents than LP or SP. Right now, Dr Evil is my fav because of the difference in speed and different spins you can make. Screw Soft is next and then Anti.
The backswing might be due to style. I don't do the big floor to head loop. I counter loop or drive and I start about one foot from contact. Wrist and arm explode at the same time. And Yes, the blade is Very closed. People have told me many times it is hard to read direction because of the short swing.

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Shakehand, left handed.
Blade, Yinhe, W-1
Forhand, H-3 National
Backhand, Sriver FX Max