OOAK Table Tennis Forum

Obviously a relatively new guy here. Notbob stop testing nearly everything? Hah!

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coming back after 2 years off
don't freaking know what I'm using from day to day!

sure, new but quite interested

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Equipment: Dr Neubauer Firewall+ - Butterfly Tenergy 05 - Spinlab Vortex 2.3 (red sponge)

And I welcome you. I was just trying to be funny.

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coming back after 2 years off
don't freaking know what I'm using from day to day!

I already have 2 other blades with regular inverted rubber (chinese rubber though, bought at local store ). Been playing since 2003/2004 but never tried other rubber (Anti or pip or tensor). Want to learn to play with Anti or pip, and Yasaka Anti Power is my first Anti and so far the most expensive rubber I have. I don't have money to buy all Anti and tried them to know what suit me best, therefore I'm asking opinion from the experts here .

@mynamenotbob
Thank you for the info. Really appreciate that

I think the fastest anti would be Friendship 804 on 2mm sponge. You could even get the 804 topsheet and put it on the fastest sponge you can find separately.

I don't mean to try to talk you out of doing whatever you want but I think a medium pip like Friendship 563 would be better than fast anti for most things you could do with fast anti.

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@bcbcbc

Thank you. I'll try Friendship 563 then

Notice there is a whole medium pip forum if you want to think about other possibilities than 563.

You still never told us how you play with the Anti Power and what you were hoping to improve other than just 'faster' so it's hard to be sure if our advice is useful.

I am guessing that you play it similarly to inverted and block and hit only with less spin.

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yes, this is true. I am using an anti power in backhand and my game is rallying and hitting with it: loops, flat drives, punch blocks, chiquita flicks. The irony of it, i DONT chop with it because i am not a chopper and cant do away-from-the-table chopping. what i sometimes do is to chop-block to add versatility to my game but that only happens if the enemy is weaker than me because if i do this to a stronger enemy, i will get pummeled because i am not a good defender. if he is stronger or at my level, my usual game play is to attack balls.

anti power is good to attack with because i can do top spins balls, knuckle balls, flat drive balls, and fast balls with a slight backspin/no spin ball that makes the ball of opponents go to the net.

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Blade: Butterfly Gergely (Old School Rocks!)
FH: Donic Bluefire M3 Max
BH: Yasaka Anti-Power

Oops sorry. Yes, I play it similarly to regular inverted . My playstyle is more BH oriented, left handed and close to table - mid distance.

Hi everyone:

I just wanted to add that the biggest advantage in using anti is its versatility over lp (hope I havent repeated from above)

With friction anti (804 or old inverted) it plays like inverted but gives lower amount of spin.

For example, the chop gives less backspin, the top spin is less on a loop forehand etc.

But you get to use it like an inverted which is hard to do for a lp.

You can even twiddle - i like to use black for anti since most people have been conditioned to think of its normal characteristics and you fool them, well at least for a point or two.

One of the things that you really have to work on is to prepare for the backhand counter instead of a chop against a fast attack becauseof the higher throw. (sponge is a factor here, 804 has a soft hrs sponge which is often not mentioned)

Also, you can still vary the spin eg the chop can give no spin or more backspin while from an lp the chop gives reversal which often means a lot of backspin. Big plus especially if you vary setups between lp and anti!

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Manika Batra, Manika Batra, Manika Batra... is now my winning mantra!

Anti is just a dead rubber nothing else-it pretty useless as you
really can only return serve-the rest is useless-you cannot
keep a ralley or even to chop or lob with a dead rubber with
control-at least with pips you can chop.

bcbcbc wrote: Friendship 804 is a half-anti, meaning it will neutralize spin more or less effectively, but not reverse it; it plays like a very much worn inverted rubber. A proper anti is always slower and slicker. 804 is useful for aggressive styles - either aggressive attack (you can return any ball with it at considerable speed) or aggressive defence (it chop-blocks and chops well enough to keep the ball in play). In contrast there are "fast" proper antispin rubbers suitable for attack like Yasaka antipower or Stiga Energy Absorber, or also Juic Neoanti.

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Davey wrote I am not sure what kind of rubber they think of as being an anti in Ireland, but if you mean to refer to what is commonly accepted as antispin rubbers, your opinion is rather open to challenge based on fact... Chopping with antis can be as effective as chopping with classic defense LPs as CurlP1 or Feint Long III, and with a number of antis spin-variation in chopping is easier than with a lot of LPs. It is also quite easy to keep a rally going by chopping, countering and aggressive pushing, and so on. Perhaps you should take a look at the video-section and watch Amelie Solja using her anti. As for lobbing - would you seriously undertake that with a LP?

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Where do you know this nonsense from? Some 30 years ago I played in the national team of my country with anti. John Hilton was European champion, and currently there are a couple of successful anti players in German Oberligas, which compare to national leagues in a variety of other countries - what about Ireland
Maybe *you* cannot keep a rally - I certainly can! - If I will; there are better choices with anti for experienced players.

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Equipment: Dr Neubauer Firewall+ - Butterfly Tenergy 05 - Spinlab Vortex 2.3 (red sponge)