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 Post subject: vs long pips?
PostPosted: 28 Apr 2011, 00:16 
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difference between anti and long pips?

how hard is it to play with anti?

im debating whether i should get long pips or anti spin

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Similar uses in terms of gameplay and style.

Anti is easier to control than lp's, but offers less effect. The larger surface area which comes into contact with the ball likely to be a factor there.

Anti tends to have a higher throw, than lp's and you can get it slower than lp's.

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the reason im considering anti is because it kinda looks like inverted, so i can fool people easier

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flaygrant wrote:
the reason im considering anti is because it kinda looks like inverted, so i can fool people easier
Rules require one red side, one black side.


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the reason im considering anti is because it kinda looks like inverted, so i can fool people easier
Rules require one red side, one black side.


...i said it looks like inverted rubber.... whereas LP looks entirely different....

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Yes, but they can ask to see your bat before you play.

Even if they do not see it, wont fool a good player for long. About two hits.


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Yes, but they can ask to see your bat before you play.

Even if they do not see it, wont fool a good player for long. About two hits.


Or zero. I was in a tournament and warmed up my fh with the black side. Then twiddled and put the ball in play to warm up backhand with the black side. The guy CAUGHT the ball and said "what's on the red side?" I was impressed.

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Yes, but they can ask to see your bat before you play.

Even if they do not see it, wont fool a good player for long. About two hits.


Or zero. I was in a tournament and warmed up my fh with the black side. Then twiddled and put the ball in play to warm up backhand with the black side. The guy CAUGHT the ball and said "what's on the red side?" I was impressed.


He probably had previous experiences with people using tactical rubbers. Once at a competition a guy refused to use his red side in practice against an opponent even after it was specifically requested.

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sigh...it was my first tournament, and i was using a sheet of DtecS OX. there as this modified windshield wiper guy using a septear and a sheet of black super anti. and he beat me without it.

there are some anti that sound like normal inverted (best anti and antiPOWER i believe)

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Antispin rubber is much better for pushing. I personally can not settle my push game with long pips.


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Omut wrote:
Antispin rubber is much better for pushing. I personally can not settle my push game with long pips.


This is where I struggle with pips and it's such a basic shot and the consequence of getting it wrong when you are at the table are high.

Anti is higher throw, which may help adjust, also pips seem to work better with a sideswipe stroke and both may benefit from conatct more on the side of the ball, than a direct straight line push. An area for me to continue to work on as I want to use pips.

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Can you ask to see the paddle only before the match?

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Can you ask to see the paddle only before the match?

Yes. Later on it would be interfering with the opponent's play. And he is not required to use his pips or anti in the warming-up either; in fact, he is allowed to use another bat for that entirely (or another player even), as the warming-up is just that and not for getting to know the opponent's equipment. Furthermore, you are only allowed to look at the bat, not to touch it! I had somebody once who scratched my pips with his nails, probably to see if they were treated; that occurred only afterwards to me, and it also got me thinking - maybe I should have scratched his pips right back!

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Yes. Later on it would be interfering with the opponent's play. And he is not required to use his pips or anti in the warming-up either; in fact, he is allowed to use another bat for that entirely (or another player even), as the warming-up is just that and not for getting to know the opponent's equipment. Furthermore, you are only allowed to look at the

Are you sure about using a different bat in warm up before a game? In the usatt the warm up period starts the match which means 1 bat and no going over to coaches after warm up.

I don't know if its ITTF's ruling or just USATT

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Can you ask to see the paddle only before the match?

Yes. Later on it would be interfering with the opponent's play. And he is not required to use his pips or anti in the warming-up either; in fact, he is allowed to use another bat for that entirely (or another player even), as the warming-up is just that and not for getting to know the opponent's equipment. Furthermore, you are only allowed to look at the bat, not to touch it! I had somebody once who scratched my pips with his nails, probably to see if they were treated; that occurred only afterwards to me, and it also got me thinking - maybe I should have scratched his pips right back!


There are some things correct here. There are some things incorrect here. Your opponent can choose to never hit you a ball with his/her pips or anti. As far as handling the bat you are correct there as well. They certainly don't have the right to demand to handle your racket. Changing bats after warm up has commenced is incorrect. The only way you can do that is if there has been major damage to the bat in which an exchange would be neccessary. Once warm up has begun the match has begun. If there is communication with the coach after warm up has commenced it's a charged time out.

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