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PostPosted: 05 Sep 2016, 06:06 
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I currently use 802-40 (short pips) on my BH. However, it acts more like an inverted rubber and is not exactly serving the purpose which I bought it for - returning deceptive spinny serves and blocking fast shots/loops. I am thinking of trying out anti spin rubber on my BH and shortlisted Yasaka Anti Power (max) and Butterfly Super Anti (1.9 mm), as these two are the only available varieties in my country. Please suggest which one I should choose. The deception and spin reversal are also key factors. Also, I plan to stick to my current blade (Tibhar Carbon Shot) and FH rubber (Donic Coppa JO Gold).


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I've never used anti-spin, so I can't comment on your specific question, but what you want to do is exactly what I do with my OX LP. I return serve, and block/ chop-block / chop with my BH, and attack with my FH. Not trying to cloud the issue, but it's a consideration :)

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I use Super Anti. Best in MAX for blocking loops. :)


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+1 super anti, does what it have to do haha messed around with it last time super fun, leave ur opponents in awe as they loop maximum effort on you

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The Super Anti has much higher reversal and less affected by spin, but the Anti Power is easier to attack with, if you do want to attack.

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Thanks all. I would consider Super Anti then, as apparently it has better spin reversal.

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I've never used anti-spin, so I can't comment on your specific question, but what you want to do is exactly what I do with my OX LP. I return serve, and block/ chop-block / chop with my BH, and attack with my FH. Not trying to cloud the issue, but it's a consideration :)

That's a good suggestion. I did consider LP but read it involves steeper learning curve compared to Anti. I heard it can be more disruptive though.


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TtFreak378 wrote:
I did consider LP but read it involves steeper learning curve compared to Anti. I heard it can be more disruptive though.

Yes that's correct on both counts. :up:

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you can also try that new age frictionless antis...transformer or buffalo...

they have even steeper learning curve, but if you are in spin reversal business there are no better 8)

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TtFreak378 wrote:
That's a good suggestion. I did consider LP but read it involves steeper learning curve compared to Anti. I heard it can be more disruptive though.


I don't know about the learning curve. A few people I've met at tournaments (and forum members) are using the new generation of frictionless antispin, from, for example, Der Materialspecialist. I gather these take a lot of learing, but are very dangerous indeed.

Disruption-wise, yes, OX LP gives a lot of disruption. It certainly takes a long time to become proficient with LP, and with OX LP, against better players, you need to be very careful with placement, as a good player will understand exactly how your pips work, and play strategically to benefit. If you don't place the ball well, you'll just get creamed. I don't know if it's the same with antispin, but I suspect it is. In shock news, there's not magic-bullet. I wouldn't change from LP again (I used SP for a short while on my BH), and for the forseeable, I don't think I'll be using sponge, although my coach has suggested in the future as I start to add more attacking strokes into my repertoire, it's worth considering.

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I heard good things about new age frictionless antis from Dr N, but I feel they are too expensive for a first anti rubber :( .

I did a more research on BTY Super Anti and YAP and found one user mentioning this in another thread:
"I can't quite get the hang of blocking with the super anti like I do with the YAP; I think the YAP is just faster and easier to control on blocks."
This made me a little bit hesitant on ordering Super Anti over YAP. Do you guys also share the above observation?


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TtFreak378 wrote:
I did a more research on BTY Super Anti and YAP and found one user mentioning this in another thread:
"I can't quite get the hang of blocking with the super anti like I do with the YAP; I think the YAP is just faster and easier to control on blocks."
This made me a little bit hesitant on ordering Super Anti over YAP. Do you guys also share the above observation?

That would be from me! :D
It's a matter of personal taste. Haggisv's right that the YAP is better for attacking. Basically, Super Anti is slower, and gets less spin. It reacts less to spin than the YAP, and it's great for reversal. YAP is probably better if you want a fast block and the occasional attack, but Super Anti is closer to an LP. In regards to the control, the lower sensitivity to spin is a definite plus for the BTY, and if you can hit the ball straight, lobs will rarely miss. Any other questions about the two, just let me know, as I'm using both in matches at the moment, so I'm happy to compare them further for you. :up:

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FWIW there's a league player that I sometimes practice with who uses YAP on his BH. I played him yesterday. He's very effective with it - attacks well, but can also block, and returns my spinniest serves with reversal.

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Musicfreak0 wrote:
TtFreak378 wrote:
I did a more research on BTY Super Anti and YAP and found one user mentioning this in another thread:
"I can't quite get the hang of blocking with the super anti like I do with the YAP; I think the YAP is just faster and easier to control on blocks."
This made me a little bit hesitant on ordering Super Anti over YAP. Do you guys also share the above observation?

That would be from me! :D
It's a matter of personal taste. Haggisv's right that the YAP is better for attacking. Basically, Super Anti is slower, and gets less spin. It reacts less to spin than the YAP, and it's great for reversal. YAP is probably better if you want a fast block and the occasional attack, but Super Anti is closer to an LP. In regards to the control, the lower sensitivity to spin is a definite plus for the BTY, and if you can hit the ball straight, lobs will rarely miss. Any other questions about the two, just let me know, as I'm using both in matches at the moment, so I'm happy to compare them further for you. :up:

Thanks for offering help. I use 1.5 mm short pips and I can block decent with it. Do you think I'll face the problem of lack of feel in blocking with the 1.9 mm Super Anti? Another question - which one do you generally use against a higher ranked attacking player?


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Yeah, I'll use the BTY Super Anti against a tougher player - it generally causes more problems for opponents because it's so much slower. If you punch block, the control comes back, but if you are too passive, then problems occur. If you are aware of what you are doing, then Super Anti is good, as it absorbs heaps of power and spin, whereas the YAP is fairly fast and is capable of generating a bit more spin than the Super Anti. My Super Anti is 2.0mm, but I'm sure 1.9mm would be fine for what you're using for.

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