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PostPosted: 24 Jan 2018, 11:59 
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This is not a troll question. Here is my situation.

So I was playing with my dad the other day. He was using Butterfly Addoy premade from like 8 years ago. The rubber is so old the surface has no grip left at all(even when compared to a new Addoy premade bat, which has the least grip of all premades to begin with), and when I play him, a lot of my shots go into the net from a weird backspin that seems to come from nowhere. He can also hit through my serve. I later found that it's my own spin coming back to me, as adjusting to flat no spin shots helps a lot.

So my question is, how is an Anti different from a long kept non-grippy rubber, provided that the sponge and top sheet remains intact? Is anti way more slick?


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This is not a troll question. Here is my situation.

So I was playing with my dad the other day. He was using Butterfly Addoy premade from like 8 years ago. The rubber is so old the surface has no grip left at all(even when compared to a new Addoy premade bat, which has the least grip of all premades to begin with), and when I play him, a lot of my shots go into the net from a weird backspin that seems to come from nowhere. He can also hit through my serve. I later found that it's my own spin coming back to me, as adjusting to flat no spin shots helps a lot.

So my question is, how is an Anti different from a long kept non-grippy rubber, provided that the sponge and top sheet remains intact? Is anti way more slick?


I'll leave it to anti players to provide definitive opinion, but I suspect your intuition is correct - these old rubbers from premade pretty much act like antis, the biggest difference is probably that 'anti' is in this condition from Day 1.

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Yes I tend to agree. Another thing is that really old rubbers are usually very inconsistant, as the rubber 'wears' differently over the area of the surface, while the new anti is consistant over the whole surface. Anti rubbers also come in a variety of sponge, some ultra slow, some quite fast, so an old rubber is likely to fall somewhere in between (and possibly also very inconsistant over the area of the rubber).

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So my question is, how is an Anti different from a long kept non-grippy rubber, provided that the sponge and top sheet remains intact? Is anti way more slick?


Sounds like your dad's old rubber is giving him a bit of passive spin reversal. Some of the slicker classic anti's will do that. Friction-less anti's are even slicker.

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Solution, buy him a new paddle for a present on a birthday or father's day.

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AFAIK most antispin rubbers come on a fairly dead sponge, which is also what you get with the "basic" premades (like the few Addoys I have touched).

I think the sponge deteriorates slower than the topsheet, so with a better racket you may get a "fast anti" first, until the sponge also breaks down. I have seen players using that to great effect, but for me it's unplayable...


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Serve short to him most of the time varying placements. Throw the occasional long serve in again varying placement when you do. Light topspin his returns and wait for the right one to put away. Patience is a virtue when playing someone with a dead set-up. ;)


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to add,

there actually several kind of anti rubber, e.g.,
- Donic Anti just a ridiculously unspinny Sriver Class topsheet on ridiculously slow normal sponge. You can play normal looping game in slo~w motion. Addoy and Wakaba, if built in 1.8 mm sponge, would feel the same.
- Butterfly Super Anti put rock hard super slick topsheet on memory foam. impossible to chop with, I give up.
- I am sure there an anti that have rock hard sponge but have top sheet that act like memory foam, for no nonsense block and drive style.

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I've never played with anti, and really haven't played too many people with anti; so I'll be of no help there.

However, I've played against a boat load of people with dead rubber. One thing that I notice that dead rubber does, is that sponge bottoms out. By that I mean, when the ball is struck the ball sinks all the way into the sponge and hits the wood of the blade, taking the spin off the ball and producing sometimes a knuckling affect.

What throws me off and I'm sure many others, is when the ball is struck by the opponent, (lets say a forehand topspin ball to their forehand side) the stroke appears to be a normal stroke so your mind's muscle memory assumes the amount of spin on the ball, and you adjust accordingly. Only to find that there isn't any spin or so little spin that you shoot the ball off the end of the table 90% of the time.

Best thing for me when playing someone with dead rubber is to keep my wrist locked and flat hit everything.

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