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I recently played in a small table tennis tournament where we had a single round robin of 10 players. They said the people with the best W-L record at the end would be the top 3.

I wound up in a tie for 3rd with another player that I beat head-to-head, but because he had won more games overall he was awarded 3rd place over me. Is this correct?

I thought head-to-head would come before the games, and then point differential. Clarification on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

The last tourny I played I tied for second place with 2 other people in my group. As far as we settled it, it was the best win/loss record amongst games between players that were tied. They were even since we each won against one and lost to the other (we were all 1-1 vs each other). Then it went to whoever had the best win/loss record in games amongst the 3 players in the tie.

I hope that makes sense, since it was a little confusing to understand even when I was looking at the scores. Turns out that the game I lost was a 5 setter and that gave me the tie breaker. So I made it out of the groups just to lose in the first round of the bracket

So the player who beat me in the 3 way tie lost his other match 3-0 to the player I beat 3-0. So I advanced passed someone who beat me in the head-to-head. So, that is how it can happen.

... but now after I typed that, it looks like you may have just been tied with just one other player. In which case usually the head-to-head is the tie breaker. So I don't know exactly what happened, but hopefully this can give you an idea to how it can happen.

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That's a 3-way tie, though. Does the same hold true for a 2-way tie? I found this forum/thread that seems to say 2-way and 3-way are treated differently: http://www.excelforum.com/excel-general ... oints.html

Every tournament has different rules. As far as I know usually the tiebreaker in a 2 person tie is whoever won the match between the 2 people. I just said that . But every tournament is different and the decision is up to whoever is running the tournament and which rules they are following.

My tie was in a USATT tourny if that helps.

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VKM
Tenergy 05 2.1
Feint Long III .5

I guess I misread that. Thanks for clarifying.

If there is a tie between you and that player, then who wins between each other is on beter place...
But it was not the case, because there was no tie between you and that player...
common rule is first more wins then if it is equal for two, win between...

otherwise you may have only one win against best player, who lost only against you, and you will be the first!

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If there was a tie between you and one other player, I thought it was based on who won head to head. I thought it only went to games won/lost and then points if there was a 3-way (or more) tie.

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The USATT rules are below. I think the wording of paragraph 15.b is misleading. I think the intent was that it say, "more than two" instead of "two or more" given that 15.b.1 makes the point about "head to head" for two way ties.

15. Tie Breaking Procedures. In a round
robin, competition, each member of the group
shall play every other member. 2 match points
shall be awarded for a win, 1 for a loss in a
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played match, and 0 for a loss in an unplayed
or unfinished match. The ranking order within
the group shall be determined primarily by the
number of match points gained. (See examples
beginning on page 7–10)

15.b. If two or more members of a group
have won the same number of match points,
their relative positions shall be determined by
the results only of the matches involving those
tied. Compare those tied first for match points,
then successively the ratio of games won to
games lost; and points won to points lost, as
far as necessary to resolve the order of finish.
If the tie cannot be resolved, positions are
determined by lot.
15.b.1. Only the results of matches
between players tied shall be taken into
account. In a two way tie, the winner of the
match between the tied players is the winner
of the group (or of the higher position for
which tied).

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Jay Turberville
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Thanks. I knew that made more sense. Everybody at my club is telling me I'm wrong about the 2 way tie going head to head. This official rule should help me get it straight. Just want to make sure we're running things correctly at this club.

Could you provide a link to where you pulled this from please? I can't seem to find it.

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Table-Tennis/USATT/Directors-and-Officials/Tournament-Guide

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Jay Turberville
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Thanks!