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 Post subject: Re: Ranking ITTF
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I don't think you'd actually start from zero points. They'll evaluate you somehow to figure out your initial rating, and then after you play a couple tournaments or some games in a league your rating will go up/down depending on who you beat or lose to. If you start from zero points a whole bunch of people will have to lose points for you to get to your true rating. :lol:

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Sorry for my English. This is that I meant by starting from 0. I think you start also from the average of raiting points of the players of your league plus the first results as far as I understood. At least I could see that in my case here was also like this.

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DiegOX,
I cannot believe you are still taking Iskandar Taib seriously
A rating of 0 is indeed possible. The software simply would leave any negative value as just 0
Take a look at my attachment below for 2100+ USATT ratings shown as 0

In fact take a look at this tournament. They have an event just for players rated below 25 LOL
Event name is Under 25 RR (Round Robin)
https://omnipong.com/T-tourney.asp?t=102&r=3626&h=


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 Post subject: Re: Ranking ITTF
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Monica wrote:
Diegox wrote:
iskandar taib wrote:
I don't think you'd actually start from zero points. They'll evaluate you somehow to figure out your initial rating, and then after you play a couple tournaments or some games in a league your rating will go up/down depending on who you beat or lose to. If you start from zero points a whole bunch of people will have to lose points for you to get to your true rating. :lol:

Iskandar


Sorry for my English. This is that I meant by starting from 0. I think you start also from the average of raiting points of the players of your league plus the first results as far as I understood. At least I could see that in my case here was also like this.

Regards.


DiegOX,
I cannot believe you are still taking Iskandar Taib seriously
A rating of 0 is indeed possible. The software simply would leave any negative value as just 0
Take a look at my attachment below for 2100+ USATT ratings shown as 0


Hi, and why it can happen? I can imagine the only way is that you register and you don’t participate, isn’t it? Or there is an other way to get 0.

Thanks for opening this information.

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Diegox wrote:

Hi, and why it can happen? I can imagine the only way is that you register and you don’t participate, isn’t it? Or there is an other way to get 0.

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Yes you are correct
If there is no tournament activity, it seems they are assigned a rating of 0 .
While that value is not practically meaningful, a value has to be assigned mathematically.
I guess it takes some programming to assign a symbol such as a - or NRY (Not Rated Yet) because these are not numbers.
They could just leave it blank I guess .
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Monica wrote:
Diegox wrote:

Hi, and why it can happen? I can imagine the only way is that you register and you don’t participate, isn’t it? Or there is an other way to get 0.

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Yes you are correct
If there is no tournament activity, it seems they are assigned a rating of 0 .
While that value is not practically meaningful, a value has to be assigned mathematically.
I guess it takes some programming to assign a symbol such as a - or NRY (Not Rated Yet) because these are not numbers.
They could just leave it blank I guess .


Fantastic information, thanks.

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Monica wrote:
DiegOX,
I cannot believe you are still taking Iskandar Taib seriously
A rating of 0 is indeed possible. The software simply would leave any negative value as just 0
Take a look at my attachment below for 2100+ USATT ratings shown as 0


This is something new. The last time I looked (several years ago) they didn't list anyone who hadn't played in any tournaments. And obviously they wouldn't use "0" as a starting point when you play your first tournament. If they did there would be a bunch of people losing huge numbers of points because you beat them. They do what I said they'd do, which would be to estimate your rating and then give you a rating based on who you ended up winning or losing to. This initial rating should be north of 500 at least.

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iskandar taib wrote:
Monica wrote:
DiegOX,
I cannot believe you are still taking Iskandar Taib seriously
A rating of 0 is indeed possible. The software simply would leave any negative value as just 0
Take a look at my attachment below for 2100+ USATT ratings shown as 0


This is something new. The last time I looked (several years ago) they didn't list anyone who hadn't played in any tournaments. And obviously they wouldn't use "0" as a starting point when you play your first tournament. If they did there would be a bunch of people losing huge numbers of points because you beat them. They do what I said they'd do, which would be to estimate your rating and then give you a rating based on who you ended up winning or losing to. This initial rating should be north of 500 at least.

Iskandar


From my experience here, when I registered for tournament before playing the rating was A, mean waiting for the first result. Then I got my first rating based on the result and the average of player in the tournament. This is how I understood it works.

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