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Actually, it can be.



Yes. This is sufficient to ask the question about the nature of the various relationships. It falls under the category of an appearance of possible conflict of interest. But that doesn't mean that there actually is a conflict and while I can understand the musing about "pocket lining" in casual private conversation, I think saying it on a public forum does cross a line.

It would be better if this stayed on the simpler topic of the celluloid ban.

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Also we don't know who owns TMS International. Is it the three directors in partnership, the ITTF itself or some other entity? This is something that would be interesting to find out.

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Can you be more specific?

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It isn't that uncommon for a member of a board of directors to have no direct financial interest in a company - especially with smaller organizations.

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Well, theoretically, if someone makes up something phony and then expresses his personal doubts or suspicions based on this phony thing, then yes, but this is not the case here.

Corruption is a strong word and is a statement that something wrong has been done. Smartguy, do you know for a fact that the ITTF Chairman is not allowed by the post of ITTF Chairman's terms of employment to be a director of a company which has involvement of table tennis whilst at the same time being the ITTF Chairman?

And if it isn't potentially libelous, or dangerous why do you choose to use words like "apparantly" and "looks a bit unusual" "might be". That's lke using the word "allegedly" - a get out of jail way of accusing someone of doing something wrong. In your opinion is Adham in breach of the rules pertaining to activities undertaken by the ITTF Chairman, no allegedly, no looks unusual, just a straight YES or NO. ON SECOND THOUGHTS DON'T ANSWER THAT, instead, as you are good at digging around and seem to know something about the ITTF constitution can you find anything in the terms of office or whatever it's called for the post of ITTF Chairman that states what, if any business activities the ITTF Chairman "cannot" be engaged in whilst also being ITTF Chairman?

Last time I checked, this forum wasn't "the press" nor does it have a legal team to support it when people who aren't legally trained like certain press barons have. Don't get me wrong, I find the information now being brought to the forums attention much more interesting than has previously been the case and I would love to know the answer to my question about what the position of ITTF Chairman can and cannot do in terms of outside business activities is. I also know for a fact if I was the editor of a newspaper I'd want to know for sure first before printing anything what the answer to my question was. It would mean suspicious and unusual could potentially be changed for "is in breach of" and "is breaking the rules of office - once I knew for sure I'd obviously drip feed the info to stretch out the story and increase sales - Facts are much more powerful than inference and "opinion" and make this topic far more worth discussing to me. At the moment we only seem to have some of the facts and lot's of opinion. Pity.

Edit - I also agree to a degree with wturber that this topic is about the Celluloid balls being banned - unless of course the intention might have been to potentially always use it to introduce the business activities of the ITTF Chairman? Discussing the role and responsibilities of the post of ITTF Chairman should possibly have it's own thread.

If facts checked out to be true as you demanded, then Adham's conflict of interest is no longer "potentially in breach of", isn't it? And I know it won't simply be "much more powerful than inferences and opinions"... It will be IT.

I could be, but the topic is already heavily derailed. But I was not referring to any post I recall you making.

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The word "corruption" is not a statement.



I have already answer that: "It might nevertheless be relevant, even if the ITTF rules do not forbid it. There are laws too, not only the ITTF rules. It might be, that certain activities are not fully in compliance with certain laws. Theoretically. So, the whole thing is worth discussing to me."



I am sorry, did I choose the wrong words? I will look them up in the dictionary, many thanks for your help.

Conditions to where a conflict of interest occur when an individual or organization has multiple interests which could affect a decision.

When TMS International reached an agreement with the ITTF to become the ITTF sponsorship and TV rights partner till 2016, it seems the above conditions were met. Not to suggest that there was any wrongdoing here, but there is at least the appearance of possible impropriety.

Also, it seems this corporation was formed shortly after Adham took office, which is interesting timing. Is it a stretch to suggest that this corporation was formed specifically to do business with the ITTF?

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It's opinion until it's proven correct, then it becomes true. Nothing has been proven yet just "unusual activity potentially identified" - and yes for me, very disconcerting activity.

And I love the way roundrobin how you describe me as "demanding" which in my language infers me to be like I'm some bully or self righteous person who wants an answer now. I actually "asked" the question because I was curious to know the answer. See how easy it is to have different opinons on the same thing - even something as simple as asking a question and who's to say which one of us is right without facts - mind you who cares.


For the record, you didn't answer my question - you chose to answer a totally different one you made up to suit your own argument. Which leads me to conclude the answer to [i]my question [/i]is actually no it doesn't.

This is a thread on the Celluloid balls not a discussion on the ITTF president. I think if you and others want to continue to discuss it it should have a thread of it's own. But that's just my own personal opinion and possible a couple of others and for the record I am only asking for that to happen.

"Celluloid ban"-thing and what we are discussing now might be related, so I find it to fit very well in this thread.

I posted this in Adham's thread to hopefully clear up some of the confusion.

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Thank you, Mynamenotbob, it is a very good idea. I think, it might be interesting to read something he already told us about himself on this forum:

http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4772&start=285



http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4772&start=300

Well we know TMS International doesn't work for free.

BTW, I'd be a lot more appreciative of Adham's work if there was no big ball, frictionless LP ban or plans for even bigger plastic balls.

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