OOAK Table Tennis Forum :: ITTF: Celluloid balls to be banned on July 1, 2013

Kryptos wrote:

Robot Blocker wrote:

Were some balls grippier than others?

Did you get the chance to try with lp's tacky and non -tacky rubbers? If so what were the results?

Some were softer which allowed more dwell on bat face and more spin. No apparent difference in ball surface nor in surface friction.

No, I play 1 side Cpen, very simple set up, no LP. I played with both Yasaka Original and Mark V, that is all.

With softer balls i find the ball does not travel as far (as the harder one ) was this your finding?

I know it's probably covered in the 25 pages of this thread

I know it's probably covered in the 25 pages of this thread but I have what I hope is a simple question. What are the major differences with this new poly ball compared to the current celluloid balls used? Is it simply that the poly balls are slower?

Thanks Lorre.

It is said that the new balls could be even worse for OX-players using LPs that are less grippy (like Palio) because there is far less spin to reverse.

But... probably this has been said before, don't you think the rubber and frame manufacterers will respond to this new ball by bringing novelties into the market that better cope with (or even benefit from) the new ball's characteristics? Just as it has been done with inverted rubbers after the speed-glue ban. Another thing is that we are not used playing the new balls. Maybe our styles and strokes can be slightly adapted too.

Ok, I'm also worried a bit, but at the same time I'm confident that in the long range, things won't be so different.

Author:	Kryptos [ 17 Dec 2011, 07:30 ]
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Robot Blocker wrote: Kryptos wrote: Robot Blocker wrote: Were some balls grippier than others? Did you get the chance to try with lp's tacky and non -tacky rubbers? If so what were the results? Some were softer which allowed more dwell on bat face and more spin. No apparent difference in ball surface nor in surface friction. No, I play 1 side Cpen, very simple set up, no LP. I played with both Yasaka Original and Mark V, that is all. With softer balls i find the ball does not travel as far (as the harder one ) was this your finding? Difficult to ascertain though logically that would seem correct.

Author:	Robot Blocker [ 17 Dec 2011, 09:35 ]
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Ok thanks K.

Author:	igorponger [ 22 Dec 2011, 06:58 ]
Post subject:	Re: ITTF: Celluloid balls to be banned on July 1, 2013
All the new plastic ball samples are now reported to give vexing "cracking" sound, because of the new material being some harder than celluloid. Thus, we all are bound to have a sick headache every time playing the game. No good prospect indeed.

Author:	lockwyn [ 13 Apr 2012, 21:48 ]
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Just seen the video too. Anyone that knows when this will be available in shops?

Author:	ChrisBuer [ 27 Jun 2012, 16:48 ]
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I know it's probably covered in the 25 pages of this thread but I have what I hope is a simple question. What are the major differences with this new poly ball compared to the current celluloid balls used? Is it simply that the poly balls are slower?

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Author:	foam [ 27 Jun 2012, 18:46 ]
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Slower, much less spin and they bounce a little more (and sound broken). It's a bit like the new tyres I just got for my car, they have less traction, use more fuel and have much less feel for the road. Overall I made a mistake

Author:	Pipsy [ 27 Jun 2012, 19:49 ]
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ChrisBuer wrote: I know it's probably covered in the 25 pages of this thread There is much more talked about the new ball than there is actually played with it

Author:	Lorre [ 27 Jun 2012, 20:30 ]
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ChrisBuer wrote: I know it's probably covered in the 25 pages of this thread but I have what I hope is a simple question. What are the major differences with this new poly ball compared to the current celluloid balls used? Is it simply that the poly balls are slower? This might give you some info:

Author:	Pipsy [ 27 Jun 2012, 21:19 ]
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Hey Lorre, i've seen this and so have many others... And I found it very interesting... but: a) until I have played with it, I can't make any judgement about how it performs for me... what I do know that it will be different and will require some adjustment time for anyone b) it is still in a 'developmental' stage c) we don't know how it plays with LP's, we can only make some guesses or at most some estimations

Author:	foam [ 28 Jun 2012, 00:18 ]
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Haggisv has played it and is a reasonably high level pips player, wasn't impressed

Author:	Lorre [ 09 Nov 2012, 19:18 ]
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A review of the new ball by a defender (with video): http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54694&PN=1#672281

Author:	haggisv [ 09 Nov 2012, 19:24 ]
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Yes I certainly did not like it for playing with LPs... there seems to be less spin in game (which is not what LP players like) and the ball is more bouncy making it harder to control the pace and keep the ball low.

Author:	Pipsy [ 09 Nov 2012, 22:47 ]
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Thanks Lorre. It is said that the new balls could be even worse for OX-players using LPs that are less grippy (like Palio) because there is far less spin to reverse. But... probably this has been said before, don't you think the rubber and frame manufacterers will respond to this new ball by bringing novelties into the market that better cope with (or even benefit from) the new ball's characteristics? Just as it has been done with inverted rubbers after the speed-glue ban. Another thing is that we are not used playing the new balls. Maybe our styles and strokes can be slightly adapted too. Ok, I'm also worried a bit, but at the same time I'm confident that in the long range, things won't be so different.

Author:	Lorre [ 10 Nov 2012, 00:58 ]
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Pipsy wrote: Thanks Lorre. It is said that the new balls could be even worse for OX-players using LPs that are less grippy (like Palio) because there is far less spin to reverse. But... probably this has been said before, don't you think the rubber and frame manufacterers will respond to this new ball by bringing novelties into the market that better cope with (or even benefit from) the new ball's characteristics? Just as it has been done with inverted rubbers after the speed-glue ban. Another thing is that we are not used playing the new balls. Maybe our styles and strokes can be slightly adapted too. Ok, I'm also worried a bit, but at the same time I'm confident that in the long range, things won't be so different. Yes, they will come up with something, but what will it cost us? And how much will we have spent before we end up with the right material? Things might not be different for our level, but the LP learning curve will (again) be steeper than before. And I don't want to experience the day that a low-leveled player smashes through my "heavily loaded backspin balls" like a knife through butter. To be honest: I'm not too optimistic about the new ball, because it is created to slow and dumb down the game to have a larger audience. Amateurs will need to change a lot of equipment and will long for the day that there was still more spin in the game. These two effects only serve one purpose: money for the ITTF and the manufacturing companies. Look at the recent past: ban of frictionless LP and speed glue. Effect: the price of a Tenergy or a Timeless.

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Author:	8DTRGinrayz [ 23 Dec 2012, 21:10 ]
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It's probably been mentioned a lot here before, but what are Adham's and the ITTF's reasons for changing balls? Apart from the "worldwide ban on celluloid" Also, surely they could come up with some method of getting rid of the left over celluloid balls and, in turn, this transition phase between the two where we would be forced to alternate between two seemingly very different balls.