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Author:  BeaverPong [ 18 Jun 2017, 15:57 ]
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Greetings!

I've got a question concerning Chinese table tennis players. Why are there so few in the ranking?

At first, I thought they could only enter a limited set of players per nation in world tour competitions, but China only enters with the (only) top 7 players they have.

Their lowest ranking player is on rank #41? What am I missing? There must be hundreds of Chinese players who can enter the world ranking, Japan and Hong Kong have a lot more.

Happy table tennising!
Author:  iskandar taib [ 19 Jun 2017, 11:18 ]
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BeaverPong wrote:
At first, I thought they could only enter a limited set of players per nation in world tour competitions, but China only enters with the (only) top 7 players they have.


They DO want to win as much as possible.. :lol:

Iskandar
Author:  Retriever [ 19 Jun 2017, 12:25 ]
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I believe that this is deliberate policy of the people that run table tennis at the national level in China. To play in an Open tournament overseas one needs the entry signed or authorised by one's national table tennis body. To play in an Open event in China, the Chinese players are more or less told who is allowed to enter.

No play in ITTF tournaments = no opportunity to gain ranking points = no ranking.
Author:  wilkinru [ 20 Jun 2017, 02:55 ]
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It has been said the top 100 in the world are all Chinese.

Not very good for TT. China knows this and has even been working with other countries to help them out.
Author:  BeaverPong [ 22 Jun 2017, 04:27 ]
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Haha, some great replies.

I'd like to see these "unknown" Chinese players against the likes of Ovtcharov and Samsonov, how good are these European players really ... I guess we'll never know
Author:  GMan4911 [ 22 Jun 2017, 04:39 ]
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BeaverPong wrote:
Haha, some great replies.

I'd like to see these "unknown" Chinese players against the likes of Ovtcharov and Samsonov, how good are these European players really ... I guess we'll never know

The top European players, at least Boll and Ovtcharov, have played in China's Super League. Most of the Chinese players in the Super League aren't ITTF ranked/rated or at least not very high. There are a few videos on youtube.
Author:  Japsican [ 22 Jun 2017, 05:07 ]
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BeaverPong wrote:
Haha, some great replies.

I'd like to see these "unknown" Chinese players against the likes of Ovtcharov and Samsonov, how good are these European players really ... I guess we'll never know

yeah, I doubt that. I think there are plenty of Japanese, Korean, European players that are legitimately in the top 100.
Author:  Cobalt [ 22 Jun 2017, 18:54 ]
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wilkinru wrote:
It has been said the top 100 in the world are all Chinese.

Not very good for TT. China knows this and has even been working with other countries to help them out.

I highly doubt that this is the case. I'm assuming they have their top players playing. If Boll can take MaLong deep and Zhang Jike gets knocked out early it shows the rest of the world is competitive. I'd agree that perhaps they could have a lot more in the top 100, perhaps dominate it in fact, but to have the top 100 to themselves... I don't think so.

I'd assume these players played Chinese super league? How was the Europeans records? That's probably the best indicator.

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Author:  TableTennisDoc [ 28 Jun 2017, 12:45 ]
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when Wang Hao retired he could easily have been 6 in the world but this wasn't allow by the cttf. It is surprising that they allow Xu Xin to continue but they have a weakness for penhold players or at least Liu Guoliang did.

if one can't be top 3 or 4 your aren't allowed to play
a child starts at age 4 or 5. Basically they do things other countries wouldn't do.
and time one in late 20 your career is over. If you have injuries or psych problem and can't win anymore there are many other stars coming up.
Author:  tabesamis [ 28 Jun 2017, 14:49 ]
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I think if you search records you'll find it hard to find any imports into the super league winning much higher than 50% of their matches. Though apparently Timo Bill went 8-2 in 2013. That's a pretty hot spot in his career.
Author:  darucla [ 28 Jun 2017, 21:28 ]
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There is the recent case of Sun Yingsha. 16 year old Chinese female, playing in her first international senior event at the Japanese Open, has to go through qualifying rounds and wins the title. Then the next week, again through the qualifiers, ends up in the final against Ding Ning, having beaten Liu Shiwen 4-0 on the way. I think she shadows the future for the Japanese youngsters.

The shock is if an unknown Chinese couldn't beat the best of the rest of the world. (Zhang Rui v Feng Tianwei, but not sure if Zhang came up though the China system).

That being said, I think it is quite clear that Ma Long and Ding Ning are exceptional, even amongst their compatriots.
Author:  kaesees [ 28 Jun 2017, 22:09 ]
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TableTennisDoc wrote:
when Wang Hao retired he could easily have been 6 in the world but this wasn't allow by the cttf. It is surprising that they allow Xu Xin to continue but they have a weakness for penhold players or at least Liu Guoliang did.


Xu Xin has about 200 more ranking points than JZK. If anybody were due to get the boot it would be the latter.
Author:  TableTennisDoc [ 29 Jun 2017, 09:00 ]
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kaesees wrote:
TableTennisDoc wrote:
when Wang Hao retired he could easily have been 6 in the world but this wasn't allow by the cttf. It is surprising that they allow Xu Xin to continue but they have a weakness for penhold players or at least Liu Guoliang did.


Xu Xin has about 200 more ranking points than JZK. If anybody were due to get the boot it would be the latter.


I agree. Jzk is so injury pron now. But after what just transpired in the China open jzk may be the only one left.
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