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I would like to tell you, how I understand your explanation. I see here 2 possibilities.

1. In the process of authorisation you send pimples without sponge to a certified laboratory in Germany and they test the pimples whether they meet ITTF criteria using a special certified machine. The method of testing is not a secret.

Then you buy suspicious pimpled rubber, separate the pimples from the sponge and send pimples without sponge to the same certified laboratory in Germany and they test the same pimples whether they meet the same ITTF criteria using the same special certified machine. The method of testing in this case is however different and secret.

That does not make sense to me at all. I am afraid very few people will believe this story.

2. You did not say actually, that you sent the suspicious pimpled rubber for the second test to the certified laboratory. Than it is quite understandable, that your test without the certified machine is secret. Because your test without the machine can not be equally reliable. Otherwise you would not have sent pimples to this laboratory in Germany at all.

I really think you should clarify this issue at least for the sake of credibility of ITTF.

I personally do not know the exact number.This was presented at the court case and accepted. The point is that the number of samples (whatever number) was sufficient and accepted by law.

sorry, i cant accept this, this is legal mumbo jumbo. every party in a court case is free to present evidence, there is no stated amount of samples in any law for a test to be accepted in court, so even if the ittf only took one sample it would have been accepted in court, whether the judge would have based his decision on it is a different question. you should also should have added that ttmaster also presented a "sufficient" study that was "accepted" which clearly stated that there were no different levels in friction between neck of the pimples and the rest of the rubber.

ITTF made a favour to walnder and europe ,they did what nobody could do at the table, beating liu banning hisraquet. its extremely fishy banning a rubber that the biggest threat of europe was using

WHAT IS NEXT BANNING HURRICANE AND HAIFU?

The ITTF does not "ban" any piece of equipment. The equipment either meets the ITTF criteria and regulations or it does not. It's that simple.

You guys have banned certain TTMaster rubbers.

In my opinion you failed to prove, that these authorised rubbers didn’t meet the ITTF critereria. Who will believe the story about secret testing of secret number of samples.

You also banned legal speed glue and legal frictionless pimples.

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The ITTF does not "ban" any piece of equipment. The equipment either meets the ITTF criteria and regulations or it does not. It's that simple.

And finally, my latest objection on this, back to sponges here, you have stated that the ITTF makes rules for the world class players, while amateur players are free to follow what ever rules they like and they should rather deal with their NA's then be dealing with the ITTF with any complaints. Now, how many pro's are there that actually buy sponge and top sheet separately? My guess is, none, as these guys are sponsored and if the want one top sheet with a different sponge, then they will get this from their sponsor. The way I see it, this rule is made for the ones you claim you don't make the rules for. Or, have I missed something here?

With the glues on the other hand, I think that speed glue have never really been with in the rules made by the ITTF, but it have still been accepted as a part of the game before, but not any longer. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rule about changing the rubbers characteristics have been around for some time, right? And we all know that speed glue did this.

I must be honest and say that I don't think this is parsing words, even though English isn't my native language. There is a difference between banning something and establishing new rules,

....In Arabic language there is a proverb that says "El etekrar be allem el homar."

So c'mon guys, lets keep it friendly and constructive...[/color][/b]

OK don't accept. Thank you.

the fact that you are parsing words shows that you are not willing to enter a respectful discussion.