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PostPosted: 12 May 2016, 04:35 
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a lot of information and images on the blade in this post pages
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_po ... N=3#931596


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If neptunus is viscaria clone, how about the Mars series? What clone is the Mars series?

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PostPosted: 12 May 2016, 16:17 
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is very extreme blade made for short pimple or for close on the table blocker/smasher very low and direct arc of the ball during the shot.


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PostPosted: 12 May 2016, 19:39 
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andras wrote:
a lot of information and images on the blade in this post pages
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_po ... N=3#931596


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Not much information other than the cloth is called "Textreme". If the blade is lying on the actual cloth, it's different from the usual 3K, 6K or 12K woven cloth, in that several rovings are laid parallel to each other before being crossed by a similar number of rovings (i.e. it's kinda like a woven grass or papyrus mat). I assume the "45 degrees" means the cloth's weave and weft is at 45 degrees to the length of the blade (i.e. the cloth is laid down in a diagonal direction to the blade's length).

Can't say what effect, if any, it would have that would be different compared to the effect of conventional carbon cloth of the same weight.

Kinda curious about the "twill" in the other blade, since I've been considering making a blade using layers of cotton in it. I'll bet it'd slow the blade down. Cotton under one face would make that face the one to use long pips over, especially for blocking.

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PostPosted: 12 May 2016, 19:47 
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Ah.. actually there's three pages of information, I only saw the last one... :lol:

Here's a photo of a one ply "hinoky" blade on Page 1:

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I dunno - aren't one ply hinoki blades supposed to have quarter-sawn wood (with the annual rings running perpendicular to the surface)? This seems to have diagonal grain. Quarter-grain wood IS pretty hard to come by, of course... you'd have to arrange it with the sawmill to get properly cut billets, and you'd only get one or two Grade A slices out of every billet.

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PostPosted: 12 May 2016, 19:51 
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I am waiting to receive the blade .
Claudio Barbieri wrote me that compared to the "carbobiax"---- Textreme has improved " twisting " capacity.
Without trying it I can not give valid opinions


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PostPosted: 12 May 2016, 19:58 
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The monolayer cypress (hinoki cypress is called in Italian) of the photo is a blade for testing do not know the reasons of the grain.
The blade is exactly as described excellent control, low parable, as I would say off- speed.
me have test it is monolayer :up:
the balde is make in italian wood not japan wood the tree is the same but for my opinion is little more soft compared to darker speed 90


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If you have a look at other one ply hinoki blades (e.g. Yinhe, Butterfly's Senkoh 1, Darker) you'll notice the annual rings in the wood are all running vertically through the thickness of the blade. They cut soundboards for instruments the same way, as well. Wood cut this way is stiffer, and will not warp when it shrinks or expands, though it is more prone to cracking. One ply hinoki blades are also very heavy (because they're usually quite thick) - OK for Japanese penhold (one rubber only) but too much for most shakehands (unless you use OX or thin sponge pips on one side).

By the way, just came across this:

http://compositeenvisions.com/pages/fab ... es-18.html

The most commonly encountered weaves are plain weave and twill. Sometimes the plain weave cloth is available with the weave at 45 degrees to the length (called "bias weave"). Uniaxial cloth has also been around for a while. But this 45 degree "biaxial weave" is new to me. It's two layers of uniaxial cloth sewn together so the second layer is oriented 45 degrees from the first layer. Weird. That makes it strong lengh-wise and at 45 degrees to the left, but comparatively weak in the direction of width and 45 degrees to the right.

TeXtreme®?? This is also new to me. It's something called "spread tow" fabric. Tow is bundles of carbon fiber - 6K tow has 6000 strands in the bundle, 3K has 3000 strands, etc. These tows are woven together in a warp and weft to make cloth. In TeXtreme® the tow seems to be spread out into a wide ribbon (or maybe it's several tows arranged side-by-side and flattened to make a ribbon) and the ribbons are woven together as warp and weft to make a very coarse-woven cloth, like a woven grass mat:

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http://compositeenvisions.com/composite ... ments-168/
http://compositeenvisions.com/textreme- ... -1122.html
http://www.textreme.com/technology/

Here's the justification (from the latter web page):

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TeXtreme­® 1051 - HS 64gsm/1.89oz 100cm/39.37" Width Spread Tow Carbon Fiber Fabric. This special type of fabric is called Spread Tow fabrics or STF. STF increases the performance as well as reducing the laminate weight up to 20%. In this fabric the carbon fiber tows are spread out into thin tapes that can range from 20mm up to 50mm in width. This particular fabric is constructed with a 25mm width tape. In a typical woven 50" 3k Plain Weave 200gsm fabric you will have about 23,000 places where the weave overlaps or also called a crimp. Each crimp in the fabric has a very small area where excess resin will accumulate. With these TeXtreme® fabrics you eliminate the amount of crimps by over 90% which in turns eliminates the amount of area where excess resin can accumulate. They are very small amounts but in one yard you reduce over 21,000 of these super small resin pools. This reduction in excess resin will yield a part that is almost 20% lighter than a standard laminate. In addition to the light weight advantages, you also have very minimal fiber crimp which will yield parts as strong as a uni directional laminate. TeXtreme® fabrics come in three different strengths. HS for High Strength, IM for intermediate modulus and HM for high modulus.

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I've NO idea whether this stuff is better or worse or even different as far as table tennis blades are concerned (though apparently it's used in NASCAR bodies and Oracle's America Cup racing cat). I'm a big skeptic. It does seem to come in lighter weights (though I've seen woven cloth that's as low as 1 oz. /sq. meter). Not sure who makes it, I think Hexcel. It's NOT cheap... 1 square meter will set you back $60-120. There is a Zylon/Carbon version, as well.

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PostPosted: 13 May 2016, 15:24 
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Ha...

http://www.textreme.com/applications

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PostPosted: 13 May 2016, 15:58 
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I know the materials in relation to the characteristics of play in table tennis ,
composition and physical characteristics are not much help


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Well, anyhow, if someone wants to make a "Carbonado", now they know where to buy the TeXtreme. They could go Stiga one better and build a 45 degree "ZLC Carbonado"! :lol:

The Zylon/Carbon TeXtreme:

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PostPosted: 14 May 2016, 03:07 
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neptunus textreme inner ready for test :P :P :P


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PostPosted: 14 May 2016, 18:01 
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andras wrote:
A different product but that makes the idea of building standards by ANIMUS

http://www.animusbike.it


Wow.

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I imagine a lot of uniaxial carbon fiber.

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PostPosted: 18 May 2016, 17:58 
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the blade with Textreme is slightly more elastic than the carbobiax .
the differences are minimal and are particularly noticeable on the opening loop and countertop away from the table where the arc is greater.


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