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PostPosted: 07 Mar 2016, 04:05 
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...exactly like I expected, no one can touch them currently, and even if they drop a set you can bet your life savings they are going home and practice against that style 9 hours a day seven days a week until the next tournament which furthers the gap.

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Boring finals, but the rest was (y) . I think I'm going to send the ITTF an e-mail proposing a further increase of the ball size... That really will help.


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Hi Lorre,

That last sentence tripped my sarcasm meter. At least I think that's what it was.

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Boring finals, but the rest was (y) . I think I'm going to send the ITTF an e-mail proposing a further increase of the ball size... That really will help.

Higher nets are already in the works.

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I think we should take it for what it is....table tennis at its excellence. People will say I wish I saw tiger woods play. They've put forth wang hao and ma Lin who are now gone.

If one wants to succeed at something all you need do is do something your competition is unwilling to do. Wang hao started playing when he was five. Culled from thousands of players. Trained as the ultimate table tennis machine along with hundreds of other machines. Think train eat sleep table tennis 24 he a day. Then your career is over at 30. Condemned to China's coaching gulag.

China can show you what they do...but would you do it? Not me. I wouldn't do what tiger woods did.


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was anyone even surprised?
I saw Ma long's finals from the livestream in FB.
That guy is so OP

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Didn't think it was boring at all, particularly the women's.

It was interesting that there weren't many of those long range looping rallies you see when European men play against each other - it was all short, close to the table. The one who lost was the one who managed to hit the ball fast enough to force an error, and who hit fewer net cords. Lots of sharp angles. Sort of like the women's game, when you think about it.. Looks less muscular and dramatic but it's actually higher level play than the long range looping.

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choon wrote:
was anyone even surprised?
I saw Ma long's finals from the livestream in FB.
That guy is so OP


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Hi Lorre,

That last sentence tripped my sarcasm meter. At least I think that's what it was.


Your sarcasm meter is working properly. :up: It was sarcasm. They change the balls to plastic, raise their diameter and the result is: the Chinese are equally or even more dominant than before. Hearing the (rumoured) hired crowd they wanted to show it too.

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Higher nets are already in the works.


Yes and for once: this might help the game.

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I think we should take it for what it is....table tennis at its excellence. People will say I wish I saw tiger woods play. They've put forth wang hao and ma Lin who are now gone.

If one wants to succeed at something all you need do is do something your competition is unwilling to do. Wang hao started playing when he was five. Culled from thousands of players. Trained as the ultimate table tennis machine along with hundreds of other machines. Think train eat sleep table tennis 24 he a day. Then your career is over at 30. Condemned to China's coaching gulag.

China can show you what they do...but would you do it? Not me. I wouldn't do what tiger woods did.


I don't know. In the past I was thinking the same as you. If you want to be better than the Chinese, then you have to live TT more they are. But I don't think that's possible given the modern capitalist society we live in. Sports people here still have a life outside their sports: a healthy evolution if you ask me. I don't think that's the case in (still mostly) communist China. I think the standard of China will become ours, once capitalism will conquer China.


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Naah. It's possible - just look OUTSIDE of table tennis. How much practice time does Serena Williams put in? How much practice time does, say, Lionel Messi put in per week? How can they "afford" to do this? :lol: The point it is, table tennis is a peanuts sport outside China. A top Chinese player can make a comfortable living playing in the pro leagues. So can a top European player, there's the Bundesliga. This allows them to live, eat and breathe table tennis, much like Serena Williams lives, eats and breathes tennis. But in the US and in most places in the world? Forget it.

Capitalism has already "conquered" China - it's more "capitalist" than lots of other places. The difference is, it's an unbridled, lawless capitalism with a hugely tilted playing surface where rules are flouted and nonexistent, where anything you can get away with goes, and who gets caught and who doesn't depends on who you know and can change from one day to the next. I suppose you could say it's an even purer form of capitalism than you find in the US.

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The problem with capitalism is it favor individualistic achievement. Serena and tiger are the BEST example. The socialist societies favor team events equalization of outcome. Could ma long do what he has done without a team? Without govt support. There has been US equivalents. The golden age of USA tennis...courier, Chang, Agassi, Sampras. But very rare. And more a conglomeration of individuals coming up at the same time. Duplication of the China's model in modern societies....not likely. And I agree that tt isn't big anywhere but China. Will further stifle world growth as the rest of the world pouts China is too good so what's the use in trying. So what's the equivalent of the USA basket ball dream team in table tennis to stop them?


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Well, look outside table tennis, again. If you say the Chinese system produces the best in team sports, then why are US basketball teams the best in the world? Or (not really a good analogy here) - take baseball and American football.

You can also point to Li Na and her travails with trying to compete internationally - the Chinese system actually held her back. Only when she rebelled and broke free of it was she able to make a go of it as a pro.

I don't think it's the Chinese system (I wouldn't call China "communist" any more, Lenin and Mao Zedong are probably turning in their graves .. oh wait, they can't, they're on display.. :lol: ) or the American system - to produce great players who can play and practice full time while making a comfortable living, you need the sport to be BIG. In the US, American football, basketball and baseball are HUGE. Billions of dollars change hands every year. Players make huge salaries. Kids start playing in kindergarten. High school players are local heroes. Heck, you can get COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIPS to play football or basketball. I imagine it's like that in China with table tennis. School team competitions are probably pretty fierce. You have probably scouts roaming the halls looking for recruits for the regional teams. And for all we know, they probably give kids "illegal incentives" to join college teams (the sort of thing that the NCAA frowns on in the US).

Why the difference between Li Na and the table tennis stars? Probably because tennis is tiny compared to table tennis in China.

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I thought about that for basketball. They are trying to make taller athletes like volleyball and basketball in the Olympic but by in large Chinese are midgets. Not enough big guys to make a football team lol. But they do make great female divers.


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Um, there are tall Chinese. Always have been - what was his name? The one in the NBA. Doesn't take that many percentage wise, give the billion+ population. Yes, they do target sports, with mixed results, but table tennis has had a huge organic following since the 1950s in China.

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