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Author:  TableTennisDoc [ 11 Mar 2016, 09:32 ]
Post subject:  The stroke that could save JPEN!!
http://youtu.be/4SScURX2Lls

you gotta love this guy!
Author:  glennholder [ 11 Mar 2016, 12:29 ]
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This guy certainly has a nice stroke. Of course we all know this as a RPB. Reverse Penhold Backhand.

Wikipedia explains that Liu Guoliang is the forerunner of this stroke. Ma Lin made it even more famous.

I have fallen victim to quite a few of these topspin/sidespin strokes! As most of us have!!

Thanks for the video!
Author:  aeoliah [ 11 Mar 2016, 12:32 ]
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Nice video ! Too bad I cannot do it because additional rubber for rpb means more weight. My arm started to feel uneasy already at 120 grams :(
Author:  iskandar taib [ 12 Mar 2016, 02:06 ]
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First time I ever saw someone do this was in 1980 or 81 in a dorm basement! There was a player from Japan, he had problems rotating his elbow to do the traditional penhold backhand topspin drive because he'd been injured in a car accident, so he put another sheet of Sriver on the backhand of his blade. To reduce weight he cut the blade down (made it smaller).

Iskandar
Author:  TableTennisDoc [ 12 Mar 2016, 21:24 ]
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I like his jpen rpb
Rarely see it. Never in the pros. Was told not to put rubbers on the backsides of my hinoki blades but since the don't have carbon they'd be plenty light. And they're one ply. I have a bad thumb so the index finger would be good support. He's using a nittaku. I think it's the one with cork on both sides of the grip. Not overly expensive. I think.
Author:  Der_Echte [ 13 Mar 2016, 03:22 ]
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God save teh QUEEN !!! :D
Author:  iskandar taib [ 14 Mar 2016, 01:34 ]
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Butterfly does/did sell a Japanese penhold blade made to take two rubber sheets, the first appeared about the same time Curl did and was called the Rotor. You weren't supposed to use it for RPB, it was meant for twiddling. Since long pips without sponge or with thin sponge is pretty light, the weight problem isn't so bad.

Japanese penhold blades are heavy - hinoki itself isn't, but these blades (the 1 ply ones) are 9-11mm thick. Putting another sheet of inverted on the back will definitely cause the weight to be way over what most people would consider ideal. You could make a thinner/lighter blade, of course, not sure how it'd play. Using balsa for the grip rather than cork would save weight, but I don't know what it'd do to the balance.

Iskandar
Author:  aeoliah [ 14 Mar 2016, 11:55 ]
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Actually I have Nittaku Violin J-pen for twiddling with a weight of 70 grams, but with two rubbers it will definitely exceed 120 grams.
Author:  Der_Echte [ 14 Mar 2016, 12:31 ]
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If it makes anyone happy, my Korean Pastor asked me to make a J-Pen setup for him and I got him a 2 sided J-pen, the Galaxy 989.

In the Chinese club nearest where I live, Wade Sun 2100-2200 USATT level is a 2 sided J-Pen user and calls J-Penners who switched to Shakehand "Traitors"

I luv 'em all, J-Penners, LPers TT is a fun sport.
Author:  Spartan62 [ 16 Mar 2016, 00:32 ]
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I tried RPB on a 1-ply hinoki JPen and as alluded to here, it makes the blade too heavy and unbalanced.
After the practice session my playing hand was hurting for days. I haven't tried again since. A thick (heavy) blade doesn't help RPB.

I have a new question but starting a new thread :-)
Author:  SFF_liberte [ 16 Aug 2016, 10:44 ]
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aeoliah wrote:
Nice video ! Too bad I cannot do it because additional rubber for rpb means more weight. My arm started to feel uneasy already at 120 grams :(

It's certainly doable. My JPen itself weighs 100g. Total weight ~170g. Quite heavy but you will get used to it.

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Author:  Danthespearton HQ [ 16 Aug 2016, 10:57 ]
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Anyone here seen the ping pong animation (anime as it was made and produced in japan i think, art style influenced by franco-belgian backgrounds????)? One of the main characters (peco, bowlhead for those of you who have seen it) is a j-pen player with short pips on one side and inverted on the other side, if one looks closly he uses butterfly equipment (the art is veeery choppy and sloppy but in a good way to me); Apperently the blade is designed to be twiddled and is very light, the guy plays speed offensive close to the table. The guy is capable of doing rpb with it, do you think anyone in real life could do the same? I dont see why not, seeing how realistic the characters forms are in the anime.
Author:  Der_Echte [ 16 Aug 2016, 11:10 ]
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There is a 2100 to 2200 level J Pen player I played tonite who uses a 2 sided J Pen blade with one hook handle on each side. He will use the inverted BH to hit hard rpb style.

It can be done and is being done but few are interested in taking all that time to learn how.

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Author:  iskandar taib [ 17 Aug 2016, 12:40 ]
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Huge variety of Japanese penhold blades, including many Rotor-style ones. You'll have to click around. Second, fourth and fifth choices have Japanese penhold blades. Fourth is exclusively two-sided Rotor-type blades, but there are more elsewhere.

http://armstrong.tokyo.jp/product_racket.html

This is the company that supplied Satoh with his bat in 1952.

Iskandar
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