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 Post subject: Re: TPB vs RPB
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uh. So... an RPB from under your armpit?

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uh. So... an RPB from under your armpit?

lol again, :rofl: I'm pretty sure he/she means just a regular FH, just someone who's using the RPB grip.

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 Post subject: Re: TPB vs RPB
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Tpb push is the norm on all levels of play. The touch is great and angle is natural. I rarely see rpb push. Unless we're talking about real faraway chops. I occasionally use them to save a point..the reach is better with rpb.

RPB push is certainly less common than TPB push because few players are confident enough to flick underspin serves regularly until they reach a certain level. But at the higher levels it's more common for RPB players, because if you approach a short underpin serve with RPB push, you have the option to change your mind at the last second and do a banana flick and vice versa.

Chen Bowen (from MDTTC) is probably one of the highest level RPB PH players in the US and he does this regularly.

Taisei Matsushita (Japan) plays RPB Jpen...very well, and does this all the time. He plays mostly RPB in fact for all strokes on the backhand.

I'll look for videos...

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 Post subject: Re: TPB vs RPB
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Here's one of Chen Bowen playing my old chopping coach.

I didn't really search much, first video I found at around 1:22...WQL serves light under, he pushes RPB.


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Here's Taisei Matsushita (JPEN RPB) doing a BH tutorial.

Of course if you watch his games, he usually flips because his RPB flip is amazing. However, he does push sometimes...but I don't think I've ever seen him do a TPB push on the BH. In this video at 3:32, he specifically shoes how to fake the flip and then push instead.


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Wow. That's one heck of a banana flick.

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Danthespearton HQ wrote:
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what the heck is an RPF

Lol, Reverse Penhold Forehand


Hee hee. Seen xx. He has one.


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 Post subject: Re: TPB vs RPB
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uh. So... an RPB from under your armpit?

lol again, :rofl: I'm pretty sure he/she means just a regular FH, just someone who's using the RPB grip.


forehand using backhand side of blade.

imagine penhold Seemiller forehand using backhand side. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: TPB vs RPB
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this sounds like a terrible idea.

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 Post subject: Re: TPB vs RPB
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I'm starting to change my preference for "full-table" FH and practice RPB more.

RPB seems good at attacking more "ambiguous" balls that aren't really chances, because of the small and quick movement. A full FH loop is too slow.

Or put another way, against better players that don't give me easy balls, I have to RPB to at least fight :lol:

TPB is not weak tho, I'm starting to win some points there with forceful blocks (fuller pushout)

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 Post subject: Re: TPB vs RPB
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Wetwork_Orange wrote:
Hi guys.

Was just wondering, if there's any scenario where a traditional penhold backhand would be more suitable over RPB. Im not referring to a backhand push, but rather a full blooded drive/loop. Or is the traditional backhand drive inherently inferior to RPB?

biggest problem of TPB is that you have to "change" grip form from backhand to forehand, take pressure off the thumb and curl your fingers in the backside of the racket etc, this is a much bigger problem for amateurs who already have problems with consistency in the stoke itself, but with the grip changing from stroke to stroke performance drops rather quickly


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Danthespearton HQ wrote:
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uh. So... an RPB from under your armpit?

lol again, :rofl: I'm pretty sure he/she means just a regular FH, just someone who's using the RPB grip.


Or a chicken wing RPB from under the armpit?

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 Post subject: Re: TPB vs RPB
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nighitimare wrote:
Wetwork_Orange wrote:
Hi guys.

Was just wondering, if there's any scenario where a traditional penhold backhand would be more suitable over RPB. Im not referring to a backhand push, but rather a full blooded drive/loop. Or is the traditional backhand drive inherently inferior to RPB?

biggest problem of TPB is that you have to "change" grip form from backhand to forehand, take pressure off the thumb and curl your fingers in the backside of the racket etc, this is a much bigger problem for amateurs who already have problems with consistency in the stoke itself, but with the grip changing from stroke to stroke performance drops rather quickly


RPB is better for looping (gives you more reach, and lessens the contortions of the upper arm and elbow) while the regular front side backhand is better for blocking and punch-driving in front of the body and the near backhand. Also better for pushing, of course.

Watch Xu Xin, etc. He uses both.

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 Post subject: Re: TPB vs RPB
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iskandar taib wrote:
nighitimare wrote:
Wetwork_Orange wrote:
Hi guys.

Was just wondering, if there's any scenario where a traditional penhold backhand would be more suitable over RPB. Im not referring to a backhand push, but rather a full blooded drive/loop. Or is the traditional backhand drive inherently inferior to RPB?

biggest problem of TPB is that you have to "change" grip form from backhand to forehand, take pressure off the thumb and curl your fingers in the backside of the racket etc, this is a much bigger problem for amateurs who already have problems with consistency in the stoke itself, but with the grip changing from stroke to stroke performance drops rather quickly


RPB is better for looping (gives you more reach, and lessens the contortions of the upper arm and elbow) while the regular front side backhand is better for blocking and punch-driving in front of the body and the near backhand. Also better for pushing, of course.

Watch Xu Xin, etc. He uses both.

Iskandar


Also, to add to this- check out some of the later Ma Lin matches where he often used sequences with both RPB and TPB. Usually the RPB was to open up back spin then the TPB was a quick block or a put away block (utilizing angle/placement) that he anticipated to come to his BH.


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iskandar taib wrote:
nighitimare wrote:
Wetwork_Orange wrote:
Hi guys.

Was just wondering, if there's any scenario where a traditional penhold backhand would be more suitable over RPB. Im not referring to a backhand push, but rather a full blooded drive/loop. Or is the traditional backhand drive inherently inferior to RPB?

biggest problem of TPB is that you have to "change" grip form from backhand to forehand, take pressure off the thumb and curl your fingers in the backside of the racket etc, this is a much bigger problem for amateurs who already have problems with consistency in the stoke itself, but with the grip changing from stroke to stroke performance drops rather quickly


RPB is better for looping (gives you more reach, and lessens the contortions of the upper arm and elbow) while the regular front side backhand is better for blocking and punch-driving in front of the body and the near backhand. Also better for pushing, of course.

Watch Xu Xin, etc. He uses both.

Iskandar


you can do a short topspin "flick" with the tpb, i am surprised of how uncommon it is here is an exemple:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo2KWefeVlU


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