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Author: | netdriver [ 09 Sep 2019, 23:56 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
lasta wrote: s*** I forgot, those hinoki blades are thick like chopping boards, and not exactly precise feeling. Maybe the sponge thing was a bad idea. Haha. haha no worries we will find out if the sponge holds up or not though maybe i didnt feel anything with a sponge at the back in the first place because i used chinese rubber sometime to take note of, you can still feel the soft feeling of hinoki with a chinese rubber like super 729 fx (not the large pored version, i heard its marginally softer) but ofcourse, it wouldnt be that great of a feeling compared to if you are using softer rubbers instead however with the sponge on the back of the jpen, the soft hinoki feeling with the chinese rubber is more muted than before |
Author: | man_iii [ 10 Sep 2019, 00:38 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
netdriver wrote: lasta wrote: s*** I forgot, those hinoki blades are thick like chopping boards, and not exactly precise feeling. Maybe the sponge thing was a bad idea. Haha. haha no worries we will find out if the sponge holds up or not though maybe i didnt feel anything with a sponge at the back in the first place because i used chinese rubber sometime to take note of, you can still feel the soft feeling of hinoki with a chinese rubber like super 729 fx (not the large pored version, i heard its marginally softer) but ofcourse, it wouldnt be that great of a feeling compared to if you are using softer rubbers instead however with the sponge on the back of the jpen, the soft hinoki feeling with the chinese rubber is more muted than before If you get a PO OX rubber ... that muted feeling will go away ... get either LPs or SPs but without sponge (OX ) . I know this and due to my preferring Balsa blades, having Pips-In rubbers on both sides of 1-ply Hinoki feels very natural to me. Also did you leave the same handle-gap as the FH side rubber ? |
Author: | netdriver [ 10 Sep 2019, 01:18 ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem | ||
man_iii wrote: If you get a PO OX rubber ... that muted feeling will go away ... get either LPs or SPs but without sponge (OX ) . I know this and due to my preferring Balsa blades, having Pips-In rubbers on both sides of 1-ply Hinoki feels very natural to me. Also did you leave the same handle-gap as the FH side rubber ? LP or SP OX? alright i guess maybe in the future though are you confused about the messages i convey? just asking, no rudeness intended to clear things up just in case, i play jpen with only one rubber btw by attaching sponge to the back of the jpen i meant this yoshida kaii who only plays traditional cpen (only one rubber) has a white sponge at the back of his blade so his fingers can be comfortable
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Author: | man_iii [ 10 Sep 2019, 01:29 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
netdriver wrote: man_iii wrote: If you get a PO OX rubber ... that muted feeling will go away ... get either LPs or SPs but without sponge (OX ) . I know this and due to my preferring Balsa blades, having Pips-In rubbers on both sides of 1-ply Hinoki feels very natural to me. Also did you leave the same handle-gap as the FH side rubber ? LP or SP OX? alright i guess maybe in the future though are you confused about the messages i convey? just asking, no rudeness intended to clear things up just in case, i play jpen with only one rubber btw by attaching sponge to the back of the jpen i meant this yoshida kaii who only plays traditional cpen (only one rubber) has a white sponge at the back of his blade so his fingers can be comfortable Not confused anymore. Yup. Ma Lin used to do this before he went RPB. That small sponge shouldn't dampen the whole blade though. I got my J-pen as a hand-off and I am trying to see if I can TPB and RPB with it |
Author: | netdriver [ 10 Sep 2019, 01:42 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
man_iii wrote: Not confused anymore. Yup. Ma Lin used to do this before he went RPB. That small sponge shouldn't dampen the whole blade though. I got my J-pen as a hand-off and I am trying to see if I can TPB and RPB with it good luck with the TPB and RPB it shouldnt really dampen the feeling since the sponge of focus 3 snipe is a soft one, but it really did feel very muted than when i played without sponge perhaps soft sponge is not equal to porous sponge back to the topic, what do you think of my grip? did you ever had problems with your wrist when playing topspin? |
Author: | Silver [ 10 Sep 2019, 09:07 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
It's not the most extreme fh grip I've seen. This is more of a technique thing than an equipment thing. Your coach wants you to have less movement in your wrist, so you're clenching your hand/wrist/forearm to stop it moving. I'm guessing you learnt to be wristy and flicky doing over the table stuff and this carried through. Most likely its causing your angle to be inconsistent and you're spraying balls around the table. Really, you're just going to have to learn to stop flicking your wrist in your fh topspins. Instead of clenching your wrist, try relaxing it. |
Author: | shaolinTT [ 10 Sep 2019, 11:36 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
Would this video by Ryu Seung-Min help? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU5E_aaEBEA |
Author: | man_iii [ 10 Sep 2019, 19:27 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
I had wrist problems when I started with Shakehand! hence the main reason I switched to Penhold. FH was not stable in Shakehand due to excessive wrist movement. I would say try a wrist-wrap or strap or support that is used by injured players? That usually locks the wrist from moving too much. |
Author: | netdriver [ 10 Sep 2019, 20:09 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
Silver wrote: It's not the most extreme fh grip I've seen. This is more of a technique thing than an equipment thing. Your coach wants you to have less movement in your wrist, so you're clenching your hand/wrist/forearm to stop it moving. I'm guessing you learnt to be wristy and flicky doing over the table stuff and this carried through. Most likely its causing your angle to be inconsistent and you're spraying balls around the table. Really, you're just going to have to learn to stop flicking your wrist in your fh topspins. Instead of clenching your wrist, try relaxing it. actually yeah before i went to train with a coach i use a lot of wrist that could very likely be it i think i did got to a point where my wrist is relaxed during fh topspins as mentioned before, i used to force my wrist upright in place but i managed to alleviate it. my wrist has never felt so better. but yeah, there are still unsolved problems otherwise my wrist wouldnt flick around from time to time could my wrist be too relaxed to the point where it flops, or is it that my arm isn't relaxed enough? |
Author: | netdriver [ 10 Sep 2019, 20:13 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
shaolinTT wrote: ah yes, the ryu seung min tutorial i came across it two months ago, still a good vid to return to very helpful video, my drives felt more compact because of it he did say to apply a wrist snap when doing the forehand loop though isnt it the opposite to what my coach wants me to do? or is a wrist flick different from a wrist snap? |
Author: | netdriver [ 10 Sep 2019, 20:19 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
man_iii wrote: I would say try a wrist-wrap or strap or support that is used by injured players? That usually locks the wrist from moving too much. sounds interesting though i think it may limit the feel of your blade depending on how thick the wrist support is ive had finger support bands and i did try to play with them before i find them too thick to use for table tennis comfortably |
Author: | Silver [ 10 Sep 2019, 20:43 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
snap is more or less the same as whatever flick you're doing is. I have no idea what your level is, but typically you learn your shots first without wrist, then add it later. If you start trying to wrist snap from the get go, you'll be spraying the balls around the table because your contact point is different each time. |
Author: | netdriver [ 10 Sep 2019, 21:51 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
Silver wrote: snap is more or less the same as whatever flick you're doing is. I have no idea what your level is, but typically you learn your shots first without wrist, then add it later. If you start trying to wrist snap from the get go, you'll be spraying the balls around the table because your contact point is different each time. i see, this makes sense ill try to get a video of my forehand drills to get further insight from y'all, but it'll be until next saturday as that is when my training session usually starts |
Author: | man_iii [ 10 Sep 2019, 22:57 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
When there is no way to practice I tend to do shadow drills in front of a full length mirror or video myself and watch. There are a lot of mistakes we make in position and body movement that doesn't help keep the stroke consistent. Also bouncing a ball against a wall slowly with enough topspin also helps with adjusting and giving same amount of spin and direction each time. Else the ball will fly off in different angles making it impossible to continue the rally... You keep topspin on the same spot on the wall for 2 or 3 mins it gets real difficult and improves the touch and feel. |
Author: | Silver [ 11 Sep 2019, 07:27 ] |
Post subject: | Re: unstable wrist problem |
It's a good idea at first to treat wrist snap as a last 5% sort of thing. The last little marginal gain you add tto get that final little kick in your shot. |
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