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Def-attack
PostPosted: 07 Sep 2012, 06:37 
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I guess he tried Chaos in ox? Never heard anyone use that in ox (not sure I've heard of anyone at all using it)...

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I'm surprised he's not playing with TSP p1r Curl - seems to be almost unanimous among world class choppers...it's also cheaper than that Andro Chaos.


I wouldn't call him a (pure) chopper. He alters between playing close by and far off the table and twiddles a lot.

Wonder if he ever played sponged LPs to apply a more 'traditional' chopping BH-game?

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roar wrote:
I'm surprised he's not playing with TSP p1r Curl - seems to be almost unanimous among world class choppers...it's also cheaper than that Andro Chaos.


tsp curl is designed for two things....heavy backspin chop and being able to push spin and no spin....

this isn't suns game,

his game is about opening opportunities for the forehand everywhere possible and to take initiative off the serve with his pips.
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Pipsy wrote:
roar wrote:
I'm surprised he's not playing with TSP p1r Curl - seems to be almost unanimous among world class choppers...it's also cheaper than that Andro Chaos.


I wouldn't call him a (pure) chopper. He alters between playing close by and far off the table and twiddles a lot.

Wonder if he ever played sponged LPs to apply a more 'traditional' chopping BH-game?


he started off playing 563 with a thin sponge

then switched to 563 ox

then he played 804 anti spin with 0.5 sponge

then played DHS PF4-C8 (the old version) in OX

then he played palio ck531a ox

now he is onto andro chaos
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leatherback wrote:
roar wrote:
I'm surprised he's not playing with TSP p1r Curl - seems to be almost unanimous among world class choppers...it's also cheaper than that Andro Chaos.


tsp curl is designed for two things....heavy backspin chop and being able to push spin and no spin....

this isn't suns game,

his game is about opening opportunities for the forehand everywhere possible and to take initiative off the serve with his pips.


I've been playing with a Matushita Pro Alpha with Tenergy 05 and TSP p1r curl OX. I model much of my game off what I've seen from Sun Jian Fei's videos. I was playing with Paleo ck531a ox, but I've found I can attack much better with the TSP p1r and it's slower which is better for receiving serves. It's more expensive, but totally worth it in my opinion. I'm still totally surprised he isn't giving it a good shot.
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roar wrote:
leatherback wrote:
roar wrote:
I'm surprised he's not playing with TSP p1r Curl - seems to be almost unanimous among world class choppers...it's also cheaper than that Andro Chaos.


tsp curl is designed for two things....heavy backspin chop and being able to push spin and no spin....

this isn't suns game,

his game is about opening opportunities for the forehand everywhere possible and to take initiative off the serve with his pips.


I've been playing with a Matushita Pro Alpha with Tenergy 05 and TSP p1r curl OX. I model much of my game off what I've seen from Sun Jian Fei's videos. I was playing with Paleo ck531a ox, but I've found I can attack much better with the TSP p1r and it's slower which is better for receiving serves. It's more expensive, but totally worth it in my opinion. I'm still totally surprised he isn't giving it a good shot.

Example of what you are saying: "I love how Peter Li plays, and bought a Timo Boll ALC with Tenergy both sides. However I found the backhand was a bit fast, so I switched to Sriver FX. I can attack serves much better now because of the extra control. I'm really surprised that Peter Li hasn't tried Sriver FX; its half the price of Tenergy!"

Does the above statement seem logical to you?

Now I ask you, please take 1 (Sun plays gamestyle a) and 2 (Curl suits gamestyle b)

Now add them together to make 3 (Curl will not suit gamestyle a which Sun plays. Curl doesn't suit Sun, Sun won't like Curl.)

Just because you like it for your style doesn't exactly mean that other people will like it for theirs.

Ps price means nothing if you only change your pimples once in four years.

Pps last time I checked, Chaos wen't for 45 usd while curl went for 35...

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ilikepie wrote:
roar wrote:
leatherback wrote:
tsp curl is designed for two things....heavy backspin chop and being able to push spin and no spin....

this isn't suns game,

his game is about opening opportunities for the forehand everywhere possible and to take initiative off the serve with his pips.


I've been playing with a Matushita Pro Alpha with Tenergy 05 and TSP p1r curl OX. I model much of my game off what I've seen from Sun Jian Fei's videos. I was playing with Paleo ck531a ox, but I've found I can attack much better with the TSP p1r and it's slower which is better for receiving serves. It's more expensive, but totally worth it in my opinion. I'm still totally surprised he isn't giving it a good shot.

Example of what you are saying: "I love how Peter Li plays, and bought a Timo Boll ALC with Tenergy both sides. However I found the backhand was a bit fast, so I switched to Sriver FX. I can attack serves much better now because of the extra control. I'm really surprised that Peter Li hasn't tried Sriver FX; its half the price of Tenergy!"

Does the above statement seem logical to you?

Now I ask you, please take 1 (Sun plays gamestyle a) and 2 (Curl suits gamestyle b)

Now add them together to make 3 (Curl will not suit gamestyle a which Sun plays. Curl doesn't suit Sun, Sun won't like Curl.)

Just because you like it for your style doesn't exactly mean that other people will like it for theirs.

Ps price means nothing if you only change your pimples once in four years.
Pps last time I checked, Chaos wen't for 45 usd while curl went for 35...


Wow, what hostility whole of a sudden... :whew: I didn't find roar's advise to be a bad one. It would be if Sun's choice of pips would be flawless, but like you can see, he changed to Chaos recently, which already exists a couple of years, so why shouldn't the P1-R be a good alternative, considering he never tried it? You now have someone, albeit at a lower level (I guess), who mirrors the play of Sun and who uses P1-R. This opposes your second premiss (Curl suits gamestyle b).
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ilikepie wrote:
Does the above statement seem logical to you?

Now I ask you, please take 1 (Sun plays gamestyle a) and 2 (Curl suits gamestyle b)

Now add them together to make 3 (Curl will not suit gamestyle a which Sun plays. Curl doesn't suit Sun, Sun won't like Curl.)

Just because you like it for your style doesn't exactly mean that other people will like it for theirs.

Ps price means nothing if you only change your pimples once in four years.

Pps last time I checked, Chaos wen't for 45 usd while curl went for 35...


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YY, is it me, or did you get a little shorter? :lol:
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YY, is it me, or did you get a little shorter? :lol:


Nope, I believe it's just you Sir :P

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Nope, I believe it's just you Sir :P


Strange, I'm not black and my arms are shorter. 8) Are you really sure it's me, YY?
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563 OX! That's hardcore ug-ly. I've tried it and it's as hard to use as it is play against. Makes even the squirreliest LP seem like child's play.
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ilikepie wrote:
roar wrote:
leatherback wrote:

tsp curl is designed for two things....heavy backspin chop and being able to push spin and no spin....

this isn't suns game,

his game is about opening opportunities for the forehand everywhere possible and to take initiative off the serve with his pips.


I've been playing with a Matushita Pro Alpha with Tenergy 05 and TSP p1r curl OX. I model much of my game off what I've seen from Sun Jian Fei's videos. I was playing with Paleo ck531a ox, but I've found I can attack much better with the TSP p1r and it's slower which is better for receiving serves. It's more expensive, but totally worth it in my opinion. I'm still totally surprised he isn't giving it a good shot.

Example of what you are saying: "I love how Peter Li plays, and bought a Timo Boll ALC with Tenergy both sides. However I found the backhand was a bit fast, so I switched to Sriver FX. I can attack serves much better now because of the extra control. I'm really surprised that Peter Li hasn't tried Sriver FX; its half the price of Tenergy!"

Does the above statement seem logical to you?

Now I ask you, please take 1 (Sun plays gamestyle a) and 2 (Curl suits gamestyle b)

Now add them together to make 3 (Curl will not suit gamestyle a which Sun plays. Curl doesn't suit Sun, Sun won't like Curl.)

Just because you like it for your style doesn't exactly mean that other people will like it for theirs.

Ps price means nothing if you only change your pimples once in four years.

Pps last time I checked, Chaos wen't for 45 usd while curl went for 35...


Poor analogy. TSP p1r curl is used by many world class choppers. Sriver FX is not used by world class players. A better analogy would be, "You had Peter Li try out numerous inverted rubbers but didn't include any of the tenergy series, and now he is playing with Sriver FX? You should have him try Tenergy 05 or 64 because most of the world class players that have his style use that rubber."

As for my price statement, you'll notice I was referencing Palio CK531A at $10, and comparing it to the more expensive TSP p1r Curl at $35. Also in my initial statement, which you quoted as well, I already mentioned that TSP p1r Curl was cheaper than Andro Chaos. Reading comprehension is probably not your strong suit.

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563 OX! That's hardcore ug-ly. I've tried it and it's as hard to use as it is play against. Makes even the squirreliest LP seem like child's play.


Sounds tempting :lol:

Just ordered one to give it a go. When it's a success then that 'll be great! But when it's a failure, it will be okay too 'cause all other pips go seem like child's play! :sun:

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